RE: SQLPlus -- replacement tool
- From: "Freeman, Donald" <dofreeman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:14:16 -0500
I just confirmed, and set up Ultraedit to connect to sqlplus. It looks =
like I can pass either the active file as a parameter or whatever I have =
highlighted into the command line. Also, I can capture the output to a =
file as well. OK, so now it does just about everything the expensive =
tools do for thirty bucks. Mladen - just 30 bucks - sheesh. That's a lot =
less than most games cost. Oh, 'x' guys don't have games? Or just ones =
where you have to type a lot <g>.
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Sue Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 2:56 AM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: odtug-dev-2k@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: SQLPlus -- replacement tool
OK, let me be more specific.
I have used toad,nav,PL/SQL developer for several years. (I still need =
to=20
research benthic & tora).
My team (of 40+ users) who are all using sqlplus, comprises of 25-30=20
developers, 3 dbas, and end users (some technical, some non tech).
In my opinion, sqlplus is a great tool, however the problem:
"ed" is not a great editor, hardly any help in building the sql like=20
table/column lists, "." drop down as in toad, no security other than =
PROFILE=20
table or priv/role managed synonymed user (pain to maintain), no GUI =
window=20
for changing data as in toad & probably benthic (for DML), its a no-no =
tool=20
for lower end developers and end-users, no real history, no script=20
management, ... I bang away at sqlplus, but its still too slow at tasks =
that=20
toad does in a giffy.
toad/nav: problem's that there's too much. gui drop tables, gui rebuild=20
index, gui this gui that, gui everything... gui cascade destroy your=20
database schema and data...this causes me loss of sleep, problems:
toad does not have the lovely classic sqlplus semicolon enter, if you =
run a=20
script and it errors then script execution stops unlike sqlplus (my=20
favorite) which runs scripts separated by ';' and continues even if some =
errored. Powerful. toad/nav editor is not well designed from this =
angle,=20
too mouse driven. No security or security levels.
What I am looking for is the power of SQLPLUS!, same sort of interface =
with=20
power. I was hoping isqlplus or the workbench would cut it, but lets =
face=20
it, we have ways to go. I am looking for a tool where developers/users =
are=20
forced to write commands like in sqlplus, however, at a rapid pace, much =
more efficiently, with histories, with cut-paste, with lists, with '.'s, =
with semi-colons, with easy DML windows especially for updates, with =
easy=20
spooling, spool management, spool history, with security levels for =
dbas,=20
developers and end users, .....why does not the workbench have this, =
larry?
...(Deep breath)
So, then who can suggest a tool... what should I use?
Sue Johnson
DBA
OCP
Yes, one can suggest a variety of tools (Toad, Benthic, etc etc), but =
first
need to answer the question 'what is causing you too much time loss'.
Depending on that answer - one might direct you to one of these tools, =
or
perhaps even to purpose-built SQL*scripts. It all depends on what you =
are
trying to do. For example, there is no way I allow our people to build
corporate audit triggers themselvs, either in SQL or Toad etc. They run =
a
script which I built which dynamically builds the trigger for them -
according to our standards.
I have an inbuilt distruct of gui tools, particularly when passed to the
less experienced users. At least with properly written SQL stuff you can
control, prompt and constrain the users.
good luck!
peter
edinburgh
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