I am not sure how licensing works. If you have OID and SSO in different servers do you have to pay twice License? These Blades have 2 CPU with HT, I think Oracle charge this as 1.5 CPU (or that is with Dual Core?) And yeay it is 636 not 838, typo. On 2/6/06, Jurijs Velikanovs <j.velikanovs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > With cheap Blades its quite easy to sell these "Enterprise Deployments" > :-P > > 2 nodes, Metadata Repository -> Cold Failover Cluster (Serviceguard) > > 2 nodes, OID -> Active-Active (new in 10gR2) > > 2 nodes, SSO -> Active-Active (new in 10gR2) > > 4 nodes, Internet Middle Tier > > 4 nodes Intranet Middle Tier > HW it is nothing comparing with SW price. What about Oracle AS > licences? As far as I know Oracle Charge 30k$ per CPU. Even with 2CPU > Blades it vill be some thin around of 800k $ :) > Can you please give an idea how your client have been licenced? > > PS In our case we haven't opened 7100. > > 838. > Presumably you mean 636, do you? > > J. > > On 2/6/06, Li-Shan Cheng <exriscer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > With cheap Blades its quite easy to sell these "Enterprise Deployments" > :-P > > > > The set up basically is: > > > > 2 nodes, Metadata Repository -> Cold Failover Cluster (Serviceguard) > > 2 nodes, OID -> Active-Active (new in 10gR2) > > 2 nodes, SSO -> Active-Active (new in 10gR2) > > 4 nodes, Internet Middle Tier > > 4 nodes Intranet Middle Tier > > > > I talk to someone who performed a similar 10gR1 installation (15 nodes) > in > > the summer. I asked him to show me ons.conf of a Middle Tier Server, I > > actually saw a line with 14 server names! That is, the server itself > talks, > > using OPMN, to all servers in the same Farm, which means that port 6200 > must > > be opened no matter Middle Tier or Infrastructure. > > > > DCM is not that clear noone knows why why the port needs to be opened. > > > > Middle Tier servers communicate between them directly, I believe OPMN is > > used to replicate OC4J session states across servers in same Cluster in > case > > to perform a process failover. > > > > So basically I need to open 6200 (OPMN), 7100 (DCM Discovery Port), 389, > > 838. > > > > BUT.... I will try to convince the network guy to open all ports at the > > Firewall just for installation. > > > > > > LSC > > > > > > > > > > On 2/6/06, Jurijs Velikanovs <j.velikanovs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Summary: > > > You need to open 6200, 389, 636, DB Port from DMZ to Local Network. I > > > think Infrastructure Instance doesn't make any connection to "Middle > > > Tier Servers". > > > > > > > I am performing a 14 node Oracle Application Server 10gR2 > installation. > > > I never have done a 14 nodes installation (3 AS connected Instances > > > max) :) But hope my knowledge on the subject will help you :) > > > Information below is based on experience and can be not 100% correct. > > > I would be glad I you let me point me on any mistakes I have made > > > describing things. Anyway lets try to describe how AS management works > > > ... > > > > > > All AS services (components) located on a local host (Apache, OC4J > > > Instances, DCM daemon) are managed by local OPMN process. Straight > > > after startup any OPMN managed component establishes a connection to > > > local OPMN port (6101 by default, but check you opmn.xml or AS Control > > > in order to find OPMN Local port number for particular AS instance). > > > All local management commands and messages go through OPMN local port > > > only. > > > > > > If you are using AS installation with Infrastructure instance then and > > > only then (I am not taking about OC4J clusters in this context) other > > > AS instances can communicate messages (including DCM messages) to each > > > other. > > > In order to do that each AS Instance straight after a local OPMN > > > service startup establishes a connection from a local host to the > > > Infrastructure instance OPMN process using II OPMN Remote port (6200 > > > by default). > > > > > > "Middle Tier Servers" or I would say AS Instances doesn't communicate > > > to each other in a direct way. The Infrastructure OPMN process is used > > > for that purpose. > > > > > > BTW: Infrastructure instance doesn't include SSO. SSO Instances > > > treated by Oracle as a regular instance ("Middle Tier Servers"). A SSO > > > Instance have no a special dedicated communication channel. An > > > Infrastructure Instance consist of OID and OPMN processes only. > > > > > > >> For example, does Middle Tier Servers communicate with > > > >> OID and SSO Servers using ONS and DCM? And opposite? > > > Middle Tier Servers communicate with the host there Infrastructure > > > Instance installed using II OPMN Remote Port (6200), OID ports (389, > > > 636), some components (as Portal) use direct connection to a > > > repository database (not necessary the same database as infrastructure > > > database, but by default is) using DB listener port as well. > > > > > > Summary: > > > You need to open 6200, 389, 636, DB Port from DMZ to Local Network. I > > > think Infrastructure Instance doesn't make any connection to "Middle > > > Tier Servers". > > > > > > Bit more about AS you can find in my presentation. > > > > > > http://www.alise.lv/ALISE/technolog.nsf/0/e40122e5a600ecb4c2256fd90050d122?OpenDocument > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Jurijs > > > > > > > > > On 2/3/06, Li-Shan Cheng <exriscer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I am performing a 14 node Oracle Application Server 10gR2 > installation. > > I > > > > have this setup > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 nodes -> Metadata Repository DB: DMZ 1 > > > > 2 nodes -> OID: DMZ 1 > > > > 2 nodes -> SSO: DMZ 2 > > > > 4 nodes -> MIDDLE TIER for Intranet Accesses: DMZ 2 > > > > 4 nodes -> MIDDLE TIER for Internet Accesses: DMZ 3 > > > > > > > > Alteon Load Balancers are used for OID, SSO and Middle Tiers > > > > > > > > Since I have 3 DMZs I have problems with ports settings in the > firewall. > > I > > > > am clear about how to setup LBR ports however I am not sure how to > setup > > ONS > > > > and DCM ports between OracleAS Servers. > > > > > > > > For example, does Middle Tier Servers communicate with OID and SSO > > Servers > > > > using ONS and DCM? And opposite? > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > LSC > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jurijs > > > +44 7738 013090 (GMT) > > > ============================================ > > > http://otn.oracle.com/ocm/jvelikanovs.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > Jurijs > +44 7738 013090 (GMT) > ============================================ > http://otn.oracle.com/ocm/jvelikanovs.html >