Hi, The problem with ocm, for me at least is the journey to eeuu, about 2k. About the investment, I think the investmen in an ocm, will be returned. I was planning to get it, but if as Chris says ocm wasn't going to be continued, then the only way to get a higher certification degree wil be to take courses at oracle University? I'm still waiting what Oracle says: "Details regarding the 10g OCM Practicum, OCM pre-requisites and Oracle9i DBA OCM upgrade requirements will be available in mid 2005." -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l