Yes, they do have stats and I've even tried setting optimizer_dynamic_sampling=0 and that didn't help so that doesn't seem to be the problem. Good idea though. Thanks, Brandon ________________________________ From: Stefan Knecht [mailto:knecht.stefan@xxxxxxxxx] Do your tables have statistics on them ? If not Oracle will use dynamic sampling to gather a sample of them, that can take time Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it.