Dang this oracle l list is apparently picky about quoting too much material. As far as I know Jonathan is an "alien of extraordinary ..." not an individual. At least that is what he quoted to us at NEOOUG and until proven wrong I would guess that Jonathan quoted accurately. # Jonathan is a frequent and extremely valuable contributor to this list, as well as being a certified "individual of extraordinary abilities and achievement" -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l