I also first heard it from Cary. -Mark -- Mark J. Bobak Senior Database Administrator, System & Product Technologies ProQuest 789 E. Eisenhower, Parkway, P.O. Box 1346 Ann Arbor MI 48106-1346 +1.734.997.4059 or +1.800.521.0600 x 4059 mark.bobak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mark.bobak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> www.proquest.com<http://www.proquest.com> www.csa.com<http://www.csa.com> ProQuest...Start here. From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robyn Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:15 AM To: nigel_cl_thomas@xxxxxxxxx Cc: oracle-l Subject: Re: Fw: So who said it first .... (semi off topic) hmmm ... suppose I need to check with Cary and Anjo and see if they can attribute the original sentiment to someone. I really hope it's someone other than Cary ... I'm already quoting his work on two methods; I'd like to have a little more variety in my references :) I do like the quote from Anjo. It's more precise than the one I was planning to use. thank you and additional recollections would be appreciated ... Robyn On 2/3/08, Nigel Thomas <nigel_cl_thomas@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nigel_cl_thomas@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: I'm inclined to think Cary may have got it off Dave Ensor/Graham Wood/Chris Ellis. We used that philosophy in the Oracle UK Performance Studies Group back around 89-91. But I doubt I have any surviving references... Cheers Nigel -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. Douglas Adams