Full disclosure: I am a Delphix employee and have been watching from the
sidelines but ran out of popcorn.
Mladen, this is getting kind of “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” isn’t
it?
The original question was: "I would like to Know from your experience what you
do for cloning a large database(10TB) fastly ? iam using duplicate or restore
with RMAN but it takes too much time !.”
Tim is a well respected, long time member of this group. His knowledge in
Oracle topics and the myriad tools out there is unquestionable. He works at
Delphix because Delphix likes to hire people with these qualities, just like
any other company. And thus from his experience what does he do for cloning a
large database (10TB)? He uses, and helps companies use, Delphix. That’s the
whole basis behind the platform. And simply putting it out there is not
marketing. The fact that Kyle and I are also Delphix employees isn’t marketing,
it’s where we work, and where we started working long after we became members
of the Oracle community.
Since this topic began, we’ve been treated to several Commvault whitepapers,
loads of information about what Commvault can and can’t do (it can back up
email, it can back up HANA, it has Oracle Archiving, it has snapshots, it
slices, it dices!), loads of assumptions about what Delphix can’t do,
assertions that everything Delphix says are marketing terms, and assertions
that Tim did some sort of feature by feature comparison.
Look….if someone had come on and said “how can I find the latch holding up my
SQL statement” and Tim came back and said “You can use Delphix’s patended Data
Virtualization Engine (R) to instantly provision Virtual Databases in near real
time for a variety of platforms, then perform mission critical QA and
Performance Testing 10x faster achieving a 150% ROI” I’d be right behind you
and mercilessly make fun of Tim at our next all hands call. But that’s not what
happened. Someone asked for a tool that can clone a 10TB database quickly.
Delphix can clone a 10TB database in a few minutes. Other products can too and
I’d expect people with knowledge of those products to speak up and tell us
about it. End of story.
On Apr 25, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The term "self-service" is a marketing term without much meaning, if any at
all. With Commvault, anyone can clone the database, given the appropriate
privileges. Privileges can be assigned by the Commvault administrator. Even
at a gas station you need a credit card for "self service". Having a credit
card is a privilege and very far from being universal, at that.
Also, I am not sure that the original topic included marketing of the
products and doing feature by feature comparison. In my opinion, that part
is not appropriate for this group. I also try not to push the products of my
employer through this list. Refraining from marketing avoids awkward
situations like this one. After all, I am a computer geek, not a sales person.
On 4/25/2016 9:36 AM, Tim Gorman wrote:
Steve Karam, Kyle Hailey, and I are contributors to this list who are also
employees of Delphix.
Back to the original topic, would you explain what "self-service capability"
means?
On 4/25/16 05:51, Mladen Gogala wrote:
On 04/24/2016 11:18 PM, Tim Gorman wrote:
Assuming a definition of "self-service capability" as "management of a
separation of duties", that sounds like a "no" for CommVault.
Only if you are adopting extremely simplistic interpretation, to the point
of silliness.
Tim, I am a Commvault employee. Are you by any chance a Delphix reseller or
In contrast, Oracle Snapclone provides self-service provisioning through a
service catalog of templates
<http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/cloud-mgmt/em-snapclone-2267372.html>,
and different accounts have a separation of duties (i.e. some accounts
can create templates, other accounts can only clone from templates, etc),
but there are others on this list who can explain this much more capably
than I.
As far as Delphix is concerned, its main user-interface enables DBAs to do
everything, but the Delphix JetStream
<https://docs.delphix.com/display/DOCS41/Getting+Started+with+Jet+Stream>
user-interface is provided to be used by developers, QA testers, project
leads, and other non-DBAs to manage what has already been provisioned.
are you making money by pushing Delphix?
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