Sometimes the inconsistencies are in the wording and write up of the course
I have found it pretty easy to take a rejected course, reword it, and resubmit
it. Being vague of course, the salient details that were rejected first time
around.
D.
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Subject: [optimal] Re: [**External**] Re: Seeking Educational Talk for
Injection Techniques during FAs
JCAHPO gets to call the shots on what they are going to give credits to. Their
governing body has MDs on it, as in their President. So, not surprising that
they are not keyed in to how individual practices manage their work load, or
have undue concerns about imager's tasks in varying practices. Moran has
nurses doing the injections because that is what the hospital's Risk Management
team has mandated. Nurses on that team.... may be no surprise that they are
territorial as well.
Not all states officially approve someone who is not "registererd" giving
injections. Every state is different.
In the case of OPS programs, I am certain that the BOE is addressing requests
by our students for OPS AND JCAHPO credits for all the courses provided. If
this course is taught by an RN, good chance it will receive both JCAHPO. That
is important for some of our attendees, and important for our registrations.
It is what it is. If Darrin gets JCAHPO credits for his IV course,.... then
JCAHPO is inconsistent in their protocol of how they award credits.
I have no doubt that the BOE has had multiple conversations with JCHPO about
this topic. I'm sure Sarah is as current as anyone.
The official OPS statement about injections is on the website. It was written
awhile ago. things may have changed, or not.
My .02,
p
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Michael! I knew you were lurking out there!
Having completed JCAHPO forms for three decades, I can tell you that anything
pertaining to actions outside the scope of work of an ophthalmic imager,
assistant, technician, technologist, dealing with Medicine, would require at a
minimum an RN, most times an MD
I have had multiple courses rejected probably since the mid 90's on these
grounds.
Our technical "scope of work" legally, is pretty narrow
Denice
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Csaba Martonyi, Kirby Miller and Myself all taught Common Retinal Diseases as
part of both our Basic and Advanced course for 25+ YEARS, and JCAHPO and OPS
certified it over and over again. Then last year i resubmitted the Basic Course
and the Common Retinal Disease lecture was denied for the stated reason listed
in Sarah's email.
When did this change and who changed it and why?
If the lecture title were Photographing Common Retinal Diseases would it be
certified?
Someone changed this recently. Is Descriptive Interpretation also MD/RN only
now too?
We can see the disease, image the disease, but when it comes to explaining it's
now doctors only who can talk knowleably about it ????
Enquiring minds want to know....
john michael coppinger
jmc eye photo
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On Mar 23, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Darrin Landry
<darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I've received JCAHPO credit for this type of course without an RN or MD. Their
policy for physician-only lectures is :
D. FACULTY QUALIFICATIONS
Disease, Medical Diagnosis, Medical Treatment, or Surgery
A course that involves disease, medical diagnosis, medical treatment, or
surgery must be taught (classroom) or principally authored (distance learning)
by a medical doctor (MD) or a doctor of osteopathy (DO).
If a course is presented or authored on disease, diagnosis, treatment, or
surgery with a non-MD as a co-instructor, an MD or a DO must play the major
role in the development and delivery of the course.
There are a great number of photogs that are doing their own injections, and
having to also image patients at the same time- some of us for many years. I
think their perspective would be more relevant to photographers than from an RN
that is only performing the IV. Again, I get that the OPS doesn't want to
appear as "promoting" this type of practice. But what's the difference? If
someone sits in a lecture on IV FA and goes back to their practice thinking
they are OK to inject, it doesn't matter if an RN or a photog gave the lecture.
As an aside- as someone who applies for CEC through JCAHPO, OPS, ANA, ASORN
multiple times a year, it is becoming more and more frustrating dealing with
organization's interpretation of their speaker qualifications and what they
deem relevant and meaningful.
Just my 3 cents...
Darrin A Landry, CRA, OCT-C
Ophthalmic Consultant
Bryson Taylor, Inc.
207-838-0961
www.brysontaylor.com<mailto:Darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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From: "Sarah Moyer" <smoyer@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:smoyer@xxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:46 AM
To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optimal] Re: Seeking Educational Talk for Injection Techniques during
FAs
Darrin- Great question! In order to receive JCAHPO CECs, JCAHPO requires an
RN or MD to give this talk.
Sarah
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Darrin Landry
<darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Just curious- why do you need an RN to give this talk? I'm not trying to stir
things up, but for those of us that are legal to inject fluorescein in our
state, why not ask within the OPS? I'm sure that whoever gives the talk will
need to precede it with an OPS disclaimer.
Darrin
Darrin Landry, CRA, OCT-C
Ophthalmic Consultant
Bryson Taylor Inc.
darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:26 PM, Adeline M Stone
<adelinemstone@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:adelinemstone@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hello-
This is a call to any potential RN's that would be interested in giving a talk
to the OPS annual education meeting, about injection management, FA reactions.
If you are interested and available about this course please contact me
directly.
Thanks for your interest,
--
Adeline Stone, COT, CRA, CDOS
2017 Education Chair- New Orleans
48th Annual Education Program
The Ophthalmic Photographers' Society
P: 509-385-2629<tel:(509)%20385-2629>
F: 360-838-0966<tel:(360)%20838-0966>
E: adelinemstone@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:adelinemstone@xxxxxxxxx>
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