[optimal] Re: [**External**] Google and Ophthalmic Imaging Neural Nets

  • From: Sandor Ferenczy <sandorferenczy@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 09:38:01 -0500

I more picture a self-guided imaging system next to the self-guided blood
pressure system @ the local pharmacy.

Imagine the power of screening tens of thousands of wide field, color
images with machine learning, abnormal findings whether vascular, nerve,
retinal, tumor can be forwarded directly to the existing reading centers @
the world's best hospitals & patient be told to follow up with a local
ophthalmologist.

In statistical work we have done, we estimate that screening of only 15,000
Caucasians in the US would yield 300 growing melanocytic tumors in the
uvea.
...imagine...

No human could do intra ocluar screening as efficiently as a computer. we
just need to train them what to look for.

-sandor

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 9:18 AM, joey hatfield <bioartevolution@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Imagine, program guided self assessment fundus imaging on a phone that can
send a report to the physician. Evaluation of the posterior pole for this
application, diabetic changes, etc...AI is very real and being looked at
heavily by most major companies.

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On Feb 21, 2018, at 8:06 AM, Sandor Ferenczy <sandorferenczy@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Neither fake news or bad science.

Machine learning (a computer's progressive improvement at a task based on
training rather than explicit programming) is real, has been around since
the '50s, and is more and more being applied to medicine.


The most important part of this general public article are the second two
paragraphs:

The algorithms didn’t outperform existing medical approaches such as blood
tests, according to a study of the finding published in the journal Nature
Biomedical Engineering. The work needs to be validated and repeated on more
people before it gains broader acceptance, several outside physicians said.

But the new approach could build on doctors’ current abilities by
providing a tool that people could one day use to quickly and easily screen
themselves for health risks that can contribute to heart disease, the
leading cause of death worldwide.





-sandor



On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 9:34 PM, CPMC Ophthalmic Diagnostic Center <
cpmceyelab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I am unclear as to how these poor Topcon images would help screen for
stroke

Unless they are referring to H. Plaque, Occlusions, etc and the usual
signs that would send a patient for a Carotid angiogram.

Fake news or bad science?



Denice Barsness, CRA, COMT, CDOS, FOPS

CPMC Dept of Ophthalmology/ The Eye Institute

Ophthalmic Diagnostic Services

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*From:* Barsness, Denice
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:30 PM
*To:* CPMC Ophthalmic Diagnostic Center <cpmceyelab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* FW: [**External**] [optimal] Google and Ophthalmic Imaging
Neural Nets




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Interesting article at link below. Article says images are scans, but the
notch says otherwise.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2018/02/
19/google-used-artificial-intelligence-to-predict-heart-atta
cks-with-the-human-eye/?utm_term=.27acdee9d2c2
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Anyone out there participating is such studies?



Richard Press posted about a similar project re diabetes last march.



ALSO — Is Google a sustaining member of OPS?



john michael coppinger

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