25% concentration sodium fluorescein is a 2.5x higher concentration that
10% concentration sodium fluorescein.
so to get the same dose, 25% would be a volume 2.5x less than 5 cc.
5/2.5 = 2 cc
the actual dose you find appropriate for your camera can differ from there.
-sandor
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Patti Kish <photohomer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you for response. We have a Optos California and I use 2.5cc of
10%, up the contrast and have excellent results.
If we would convert to 25%, how many cc's would be standard? We also have
an old Topcon.
Respectfully submitted,
Patti Kish, COT
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*From:* optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of CPMC Ophthalmic Diagnostic Center <cpmceyelab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 7, 2017 7:23 PM
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*Subject:* [optimal] Re: Denice's cocktail for oral administration of
sodium fluorescein
You can read the literature
Personally, I haven’t used 10% in two decades
I prefer the higher concentrate 25% and lesser volume
I believe amongst imagers, this is the concensus
*From:* optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*On Behalf Of *Patti Kish
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 07, 2017 4:03 PM
*To:* optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [optimal] Re: Denice's cocktail for oral administration of
sodium fluorescein
Sorry 10% and definitely a "heavy" patient. Do you suggest that we use
25% instead?
Sincerely,
Patti Kish, COT
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behalf of CPMC Ophthalmic Diagnostic Center <cpmceyelab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 7, 2017 6:59 PM
*To:* optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [optimal] Re: Denice's cocktail for oral administration of
sodium fluorescein
Two or three vials! That must be a very heavy patient
Particularly if you are using 25%
I had my FIRST case of oral FA, impossible venipuncture, with 5 ML of 25%
, well over the dosage required with a cSLO.
However, given her severe diabetes and no doubt compromised absorption
and/or blood barriers absolutely no dye at 45 minutes or even out to one
hour!
D.
*From:* optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Patti Kish
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 07, 2017 3:52 PM
*To:* optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [optimal] Re: Denice's cocktail for oral administration of
sodium fluorescein
Greetings,
In our office we put two or three vials of sodium fluorescein in Pepsi or
diet Pepsi and shoot at about 15 minutes. Definitely would use a straw or
two to make the experience a better one.
Sincerely,
Patti Kish, COT
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behalf of lguerette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <lguerette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 1, 2017 4:32 PM
*To:* optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [optimal] Re: Denice's cocktail for oral administration of
sodium fluorescein
Don't recommend orange juice - looks really bad in that.
what else is anyone using?
Lori
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From: "Michael Turano" <turano@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 4:27pm
To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optimal] Re: Denice's cocktail for oral administration of sodium
fluorescein
Sprite is the best tasting soda mixed with NaFL.
Mike
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On Mar 1, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Sara Morales <sjmorales13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Lori,
Two straws? We're a one straw office. 😊
Sara
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:04 PM, lguerette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <
lguerette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There's a great dosing guide for the 10% in Marshall's book - but most
generally my docs have me mix four vials into juice (somewhat disguises the
color & taste) and two straws to really drink down fast.
Most times I'll try taking a base at 10 minutes (some of the young ones
have showing that early), but generally not until after 15 minutes.
Oral FAs are fine for the diabetics/AMD/..., but not for occlusions (no
earlies)
disco time!!!
Lori
-----Original Message-----
From: "Sara Morales" <sjmorales13@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:13pm
To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optimal] Re: Denice's cocktail for oral administration of sodium
fluorescein
Denice,
Thanks for the cocktail recipe, I'll try it with fireball at my next black
light party. We have been using 4ml of 25% Fluorescein for oral FA on the
Optos. I like the idea of using only 2ml. Any other opinions out there?
Sara Freeman Morales
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:01 PM, CPMC Ophthalmic Diagnostic Center <
cpmceyelab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have been using oral FA for years- so many of our patients have
impossible venipuncture
Particularly, with the new cSLO instruments, the oral works particularly
well
25% 2cc ( or more, or less per weight of patient) into diet coke (
diabetics) or root beer ( non diabetics) hides the taste very well
Use a straw- the dye stains the teeth. Better yet, chug it like a shot of
whiskey. Hey, perhaps mixing it with Fireball is the answer!
Wait about 15 minutes ( less if younger, more if older) and you can get
very decent information.
Denice
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We have a few patients a year that are extremely hard or impossible to
stick. We will get out the vein finder but usually not very helpful. So not
to torture these diabetic patients with more than my limit of sticks oral
FA is a great option. We use the Optos California and get amazing images.
BJ Graham, CRA
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336-469-4951 <(336)%20469-4951>
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From: "Sara Morales" <sjmorales13@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optimal] AccuVein
Date: Wed, Mar 1, 2017 12:00 PM
Our department is looking to purchase a vein finder for those seemingly
impossible patients. I can't believe how expensive they are and need to
make sure that they actually work on the difficult patients. Easy patients
are easy and I don't need a $5,000 device for them.. Do these devices work
well for the obese, dialysis patients, severe diabetics etc.
Sara Freeman Morales, CRA, OCT C
Scheie Eye Institute
Philadelphia, PA
