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From: =?UTF-8?Q?Marianne_Näränen?= <marianne@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design andÂ
mechan
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:11:43 +0200
Hello,
I definitely agree with Noel and Carolyn, I would like to have a device
merely for reading.
Best wishes,
Marianne
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From: "C. Pond" <cpond@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design andÂ
mechan
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 05:47:27 -0500
I must confess to being confused by the replies. On the one hand, we want
an Optacon-like device just for reading. On the other hand, we want an
optacon module which is a part of a device. All doable.
The souped up optacon III--which looked very much like the Optacon II in a
polished smooth metal case did just that. The speech was made to work
thanks to the help of a certain company. It could respond to input from its
specialized camera of course, and from a scanner, and of course read files
in memory.
It seems now that a module as a part of a more encompassing system with
one-handed reading capabilities is what is prefered?
Just to understand, is this correct?
Personally, I liked the souped up Optacon III just fine, but the reality for
better or worse is that it might needs be a part of a greater system. Man:
I could see as the device was several features like a nifty audio-calculator
with the benefit of an optacon display working together just fine, but so be
it.
Thanks for clarification,
Chuck
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From: Marianne Näränen
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:11 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
Hello,
I definitely agree with Noel and Carolyn, I would like to have a device
merely for reading.
Best wishes,
Marianne
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
From: Bruce Noblick <brunobrook@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 06:14:45 -0500
I don't know if it is too late in the process for ideas but I'll toss
this one in and see what happens. Perhaps it has already been
addressed. One of the amazing parts of the original Optacon and one of
its weaknesses at the same time was the cable between the camera and the
box. For its time, it was amazing but fragile. I carried my Optacon to
and from work and home every day for years. When I had to replace it, I
left it at work so the cable would last longer. I am wondering if there
is or could be a wireless solution to this problem. I can see numerous
problems with it but it could be implemented in a way that would not
cause or be subject to interference from other RF controlled devices, it
would be fairly useful. The camera would need a battery but if that
battery could be a double a or tripple a battery, it could be easy to
work with. It is just a thought, not a well-formed idea.
Enjoy the day!
Bruce
On 12/18/2016 5:47 AM, C. Pond wrote:
I must confess to being confused by the replies. On the one hand, we want
an Optacon-like device just for reading. On the other hand, we want an
optacon module which is a part of a device. All doable.
The souped up optacon III--which looked very much like the Optacon II in a
polished smooth metal case did just that. The speech was made to work
thanks to the help of a certain company. It could respond to input from its
specialized camera of course, and from a scanner, and of course read files
in memory.
It seems now that a module as a part of a more encompassing system with
one-handed reading capabilities is what is prefered?
Just to understand, is this correct?
Personally, I liked the souped up Optacon III just fine, but the reality for
better or worse is that it might needs be a part of a greater system. Man:
I could see as the device was several features like a nifty audio-calculator
with the benefit of an optacon display working together just fine, but so be
it.
Thanks for clarification,
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Näränen
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:11 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
Hello,
I definitely agree with Noel and Carolyn, I would like to have a device
merely for reading.
Best wishes,
Marianne
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From: "C. Pond" <cpond@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and mechanic
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:00:52 -0500
At this point, there is no wireless in the squarish camera, but the cable is
thin, flexible and replaceable albeit specialized/dedicated. The camera has
several ferromagnetic ball bearings almost flush with its bottom surface, so
when a standard flexible magnetic sheet is place below a page and the camera
atop the page, the camera stays where one leaves it and it doesn't topple
over or move slightly off position.
These are far beyond the drawing board stage; they work. I still prefer a
simple optacon not much different than the optacon II, but so be it.
Progress and we Luddites are sometimes at odds.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Noblick
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 6:14 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
I don't know if it is too late in the process for ideas but I'll toss
this one in and see what happens. Perhaps it has already been
addressed. One of the amazing parts of the original Optacon and one of
its weaknesses at the same time was the cable between the camera and the
box. For its time, it was amazing but fragile. I carried my Optacon to
and from work and home every day for years. When I had to replace it, I
left it at work so the cable would last longer. I am wondering if there
is or could be a wireless solution to this problem. I can see numerous
problems with it but it could be implemented in a way that would not
cause or be subject to interference from other RF controlled devices, it
would be fairly useful. The camera would need a battery but if that
battery could be a double a or tripple a battery, it could be easy to
work with. It is just a thought, not a well-formed idea.
Enjoy the day!
Bruce
On 12/18/2016 5:47 AM, C. Pond wrote:
I must confess to being confused by the replies. On the one hand, we want
an Optacon-like device just for reading. On the other hand, we want an
optacon module which is a part of a device. All doable.
The souped up optacon III--which looked very much like the Optacon II in a
polished smooth metal case did just that. The speech was made to work
thanks to the help of a certain company. It could respond to input from
its
specialized camera of course, and from a scanner, and of course read files
in memory.
It seems now that a module as a part of a more encompassing system with
one-handed reading capabilities is what is prefered?
Just to understand, is this correct?
Personally, I liked the souped up Optacon III just fine, but the reality
for
better or worse is that it might needs be a part of a greater system.
Man:
I could see as the device was several features like a nifty
audio-calculator
with the benefit of an optacon display working together just fine, but so
be
it.
Thanks for clarification,
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Näränen
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:11 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
Hello,
I definitely agree with Noel and Carolyn, I would like to have a device
merely for reading.
Best wishes,
Marianne
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From: "C. Pond" <cpond@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and mechani
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 08:00:13 -0500
Yes, Debbie, such a cover could be done. I am thinking of an accessible
peripheral with the optacon III full tilt and a braille display with the
usual things we blind folks use, but for anything more heavy like
internet-related stuff, or standard programs, one would connect or pair it
with their prefered computing device like a PC, laptop, smartphone etc. Let
a comsumer computer handle the heavy stuff, and let us not be tied to a
proprietary computing device.
I still wish someone would write me off list and PLEASE explain the
necessity and value of an operating system related to software and the
language in which the software is written. After all, whether or not an
operating systen is used, one must still write something useable in a
programming language; the operating system does not change this. In both
cases, the architecture of the boar and the CPU must be known, and how to
access other items on the board. If a computing device operating on
something like Android were connected to an optacon III braille device
dombo, if such an access device were not based on a mobile operating system,
the host Android computing device (or Windows or whatever)could still easily
link up. So, would some kind soul write me and in detail explain to me what
I do not grasp.
I wish the blind conputer programmers list were still around and active.
By the way, the braille module (that is all it is) works find as it is, and
fulfills the criteria for a robust, protected, versatile, inexpensive
braille module. One can wrap whatever box they wish around it. Materials
improvement really and greater efficiency, that's about it aside from
bringing it to production and to fruition. The braille module is the issue;
functions can be assined to it according to the designer of the device in
which it is housed. Same for an Optacon III module.
What am I missing?
Chuck open to being educated
-----Original Message-----
From: Debby Franson
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 3:34 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
Hi Chuck!
I'm glad your progress is speeding up. That's exciting.
I agree with you about tacking on the smart display would probably make a
clunkier design, being the worst of the options.
Could a cover be made to put on to cover the "fat domino" space, similar to
the cover that is placed over the spot on the optacon II when the battery
pack is removed? That cover would protect whatever the opening leaves
exposed and keep dust out.
I agree that one versital unit would be best.
Debby
At 02:13 AM 12/12/2016, C. Pond wrote
An optacon III ergonomic mechanical question if I may in order to make it
marketable, accompanied by a pre-amble for its context:
As things stand now, the optacon IIIââ¬â¢s display has evolved from a mere
dumb display (a mere vibrotactile output device which feels something like
a fat domino)) to a stand-alone display into which the nifty camera and
power and whatever can be plugged. This way, the camera and the
smart-display can be mechanically connected to form a crude one-handed
optacon with room for improvement, or they can be used each in one hand as
we traditionally have done. Although I am still really concerned about
the power monster, and Iââ¬â¢m working with tuflon and a few other
experimental strategies to reduce power consumption, Iââ¬â¢m not worried
about a vibrotactile display. We have a two-handed optacon---even in its
basic formââ¬âand since Mr. Noel Runyan recommended a one-handed option, we
now have that as well. So be it. Having said these things, it is my
ââ¬Åsenseâ⬠or belief that a simple up-to-date small optacon simply will
not sell, take wings and fly. no matter the zeal of present optacon
 users. I could be wrong, given proper education of blind people,
especially children, but that is how it looks realistically from this
userââ¬â¢s vantage. If no new optacon users come along, ten years from
now
will show a very different optacon-user landscape compared to
today. Therefore, from this line of reasoning, I have combined the basic
optacon III with a small, standard computer (around the size of a Braille
Sense U2 32-cell model; smaller than a Braille Lite 40) and a built-in
32-cell braille display (which unfortunately and to my chagrin and
sincere regret and wish for the contrary is proprietary at this time, and
this goes against Every sentiment and wish within me to have it
so!). The braille display can be built by hand for a few hundred
dollars, and likely would be less costly if produced by automation and in
numbers greater than 99 per batch. At this point, the optacon IIIââ¬â¢s
display fits nicely behind the spacebar and between dots 1 and 4 of the
deviceââ¬â¢s perkin
 s keyboard. So, along one long edge at the front is the 32-cell display
(built with banks of 4 braille cells per bank, smaller than bimorph-based
cells), and the optacon IIIââ¬â¢s display is right at the back edge,
between dots 1 and 4, and therefore in the middle of the edge. The
device has as many useful functions as any hand-held computer with a
robust braille display and good accessibility. However, if the optacon
IIIââ¬â¢s vibrotactile display is built into the hand-held computer with
its inexpensive and robust braille display, several questions come to
mind for which I do need feedback.
1. Although the smart display could be made mechanically to slide in and
out of its place, like the old PCMCIA cards, when the display is removed
and connected to its camera, a rectangle-like void about the size of a fat
domino would be left in the hand-held computer with its braille
display. So, what to do in order to prevent this mechanical oddity or use
the empty display space?
2. Is there a better way to design the mechanics of the device?
The only reason why Iââ¬â¢m evolving toward solidifying the optacon
IIIââ¬â¢s
design as part of an encompassing system is that on its own, a new optacon
likely would not sell, so other things must be added. Likely enough, most
people would use the braille display and computer more often than the
optacon IIIââ¬â¢s vibrotactile display. The only two reasons I can see for
being able to detach the optacon IIIââ¬â¢s display from the hand-held
computer are:
1. To connect it to its camera for one-handed use.
2. To use it as a stand-alone, small, versatile optacon.
Otherwise, and if a stand-alone optacon would indeed sell, this stuff
about a hand-held computer with a built-in braille display would not be an
issue.
If the smart display were merely tacked onto one end or the other of the
hand-held computer, that would solve nothing and would make ergonomic
design and use even worse.
I doubt a market exists for two optacon III versions: a one-handed optacon
and a two-handed optacon, and also not likely for a simple, stand-alone
optacon III. If I had my way, I would build the detachable optacon III
into an encompassing system, and find a good use for that fat domino void,
or find a way so it doesnââ¬â¢t happen in the first place.
So, please, any thoughts and suggestions? No doubt the mechanical
solution for this is simple and straightforward.
Chuck
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
From: Natalie <nataliej@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 09:25:17 -0500
I agree with those who want a separate device just for reading. If we
combine the Optacon with braille readers etc. there's a good chance
there would be duplication as many of us already have devices to read
braille or listen to printed or computerized material. We would be
spending money for something we already have spent money on.
Natalie Johnson
On 12/18/2016 5:11 AM, Marianne Näränen wrote:
Hello,
I definitely agree with Noel and Carolyn, I would like to have a device
merely for reading.
Best wishes,
Marianne
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From: "C. Pond" <cpond@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and mechanic
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 09:32:38 -0500
Yes, hence the autonomymous Optacon III module with its dedicated camera.
I'm not sure how the ergonomics would work out fitting into an already
existing systen, but the module approach makes sense.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Natalie
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:25 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
I agree with those who want a separate device just for reading. If we
combine the Optacon with braille readers etc. there's a good chance
there would be duplication as many of us already have devices to read
braille or listen to printed or computerized material. We would be
spending money for something we already have spent money on.
Natalie Johnson
On 12/18/2016 5:11 AM, Marianne Näränen wrote:
Hello,
I definitely agree with Noel and Carolyn, I would like to have a device
merely for reading.
Best wishes,
Marianne
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From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design andÂ
mechan
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:26:57 -0500
The more bells and whistles, the more the cost of design and manufacturing and
the more things there are to go wrong - KISS - keep it simple, smart guy.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
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Behalf Of C. Pond
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:47 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
I must confess to being confused by the replies. On the one hand, we want an
Optacon-like device just for reading. On the other hand, we want an optacon
module which is a part of a device. All doable.
The souped up optacon III--which looked very much like the Optacon II in a
polished smooth metal case did just that. The speech was made to work thanks
to the help of a certain company. It could respond to input from its
specialized camera of course, and from a scanner, and of course read files in
memory.
It seems now that a module as a part of a more encompassing system with
one-handed reading capabilities is what is prefered?
Just to understand, is this correct?
Personally, I liked the souped up Optacon III just fine, but the reality for
better or worse is that it might needs be a part of a greater system. Man:
I could see as the device was several features like a nifty audio-calculator
with the benefit of an optacon display working together just fine, but so be it.
Thanks for clarification,
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Näränen
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:11 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
Hello,
I definitely agree with Noel and Carolyn, I would like to have a device merely
for reading.
Best wishes,
Marianne
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From: "Christo de Klerk" <cjdk@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design andÂ
mechan
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:16:58 +0200
You know, we have been reading about the Optacon 3 for some years now and it
doesn't seem to be any closer to reality. Will this remain a pipe dream
forever. All the discussions and exchanges of thoughts and ideas about it don't
seem to get anywhere. Perhaps discussions should change direction and begin
focussing on actually making it happen. I have to ask myself: will I see a
redesigned Optacon within the remainder of my lifetime?
Kind regards
Christo
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mechanics of the optacon III
The more bells and whistles, the more the cost of design and manufacturing and
the more things there are to go wrong - KISS - keep it simple, smart guy.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
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Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
I must confess to being confused by the replies. On the one hand, we want an
Optacon-like device just for reading. On the other hand, we want an optacon
module which is a part of a device. All doable.
The souped up optacon III--which looked very much like the Optacon II in a
polished smooth metal case did just that. The speech was made to work thanks
to the help of a certain company. It could respond to input from its
specialized camera of course, and from a scanner, and of course read files in
memory.
It seems now that a module as a part of a more encompassing system with
one-handed reading capabilities is what is prefered?
Just to understand, is this correct?
Personally, I liked the souped up Optacon III just fine, but the reality for
better or worse is that it might needs be a part of a greater system. Man:
I could see as the device was several features like a nifty audio-calculator
with the benefit of an optacon display working together just fine, but so be it.
Thanks for clarification,
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Näränen
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:11 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
Hello,
I definitely agree with Noel and Carolyn, I would like to have a device merely
for reading.
Best wishes,
Marianne
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Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:53:18 -0600
From: "Pat Byrne" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "k9jau" for
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design
Christo,
I would guess that the limiting factor of an
Optacon IIII is financial. The people designing
and implementing the device I am sure have spent
personal funds to see the project to where it is
but personal finances have their
limits. Manufacture and retail costs of a small
number of devices would be high and would be "up
front" costs. Presumably something would have to
happen in that area before we would see the new device.
And I wonder, at the end of the day, how many
Optacons would be sold? I have one working one
and another marginally working, which Richard
Oehm could return to health. And I am an old guy
and truly wonder about the economics of investing
in another device when I am pretty well set right
now. But, I do love new accessibility technology so who knows!
I hold the Optacon in heighest regard - I've been
a user for nearly forty-five years and know that
my personal and professional lives were
significantly improved by the Optacon. It's been
said here before that younger users will be hard
to recruit, both due to the learning curve and
the availability of so many newer technologies.
I wish the project the very best and will of
course continue to be interested in the project.
Thanks for reading my thoughts.
Pat ByrneAt 10:16 AM 12/18/2016, you wrote:
You know, we have been reading about the Optacon
3 for some years now and it doesn't seem to be
any closer to reality. Will this remain a pipe
dream forever. All the discussions and exchanges
of thoughts and ideas about it don't seem to get
anywhere. Perhaps discussions should change
direction and begin focussing on actually making
it happen. I have to ask myself: will I see a
redesigned Optacon within the remainder of my lifetime?
Kind regards
Christo
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016 5:27 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding
the ergonomic design and mechanics of the optacon III
The more bells and whistles, the more the cost
of design and manufacturing and the more things
there are to go wrong - KISS - keep it simple, smart guy.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of C. Pond
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:47 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding
the ergonomic design and mechanics of the optacon III
I must confess to being confused by the
replies. On the one hand, we want an
Optacon-like device just for reading. On the
other hand, we want an optacon module which is a part of a device. All
doable.
The souped up optacon III--which looked very
much like the Optacon II in a polished smooth
metal case did just that. The speech was made
to work thanks to the help of a certain
company. It could respond to input from its
specialized camera of course, and from a
scanner, and of course read files in memory.
It seems now that a module as a part of a more
encompassing system with one-handed reading capabilities is what is prefered?
Just to understand, is this correct?
Personally, I liked the souped up Optacon III
just fine, but the reality for better or worse
is that it might needs be a part of a greater system. Man:
I could see as the device was several features
like a nifty audio-calculator with the benefit
of an optacon display working together just fine, but so be it.
Thanks for clarification,
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Näränen
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:11 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding
the ergonomic design and mechanics of the optacon III
Hello,
I definitely agree with Noel and Carolyn, I
would like to have a device merely for reading.
Best wishes,
Marianne
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From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design andÂ
mechan
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 16:01:00 -0500
I think if you read these messages diligently, you will see that Charles Ponds
has been working very hard for quite some time on this project. There is a lot
involved, and despite health issues and funding and other challenges he has
persisted and tried to keep thos of us who have been interested well informed.
Plus, he has been most generous in his interest in any input we care to
provide.
Thanks, Chuck.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
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From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:17 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
You know, we have been reading about the Optacon 3 for some years now and it
doesn't seem to be any closer to reality. Will this remain a pipe dream
forever. All the discussions and exchanges of thoughts and ideas about it don't
seem to get anywhere. Perhaps discussions should change direction and begin
focussing on actually making it happen. I have to ask myself: will I see a
redesigned Optacon within the remainder of my lifetime?
Kind regards
Christo
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016 5:27 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
The more bells and whistles, the more the cost of design and manufacturing and
the more things there are to go wrong - KISS - keep it simple, smart guy.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of C. Pond
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:47 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
I must confess to being confused by the replies. On the one hand, we want an
Optacon-like device just for reading. On the other hand, we want an optacon
module which is a part of a device. All doable.
The souped up optacon III--which looked very much like the Optacon II in a
polished smooth metal case did just that. The speech was made to work thanks
to the help of a certain company. It could respond to input from its
specialized camera of course, and from a scanner, and of course read files in
memory.
It seems now that a module as a part of a more encompassing system with
one-handed reading capabilities is what is prefered?
Just to understand, is this correct?
Personally, I liked the souped up Optacon III just fine, but the reality for
better or worse is that it might needs be a part of a greater system. Man:
I could see as the device was several features like a nifty audio-calculator
with the benefit of an optacon display working together just fine, but so be it.
Thanks for clarification,
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Näränen
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:11 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and
mechanics of the optacon III
Hello,
I definitely agree with Noel and Carolyn, I would like to have a device merely
for reading.
Best wishes,
Marianne
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From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic design and mecha
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 16:02:41 -0500
Pat, you and I probably are about at the same place with all
of this.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
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[
mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pat
Byrne (Redacted sender "k9jau" for DMARC)
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:53 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic
design and mechanics of the optacon III
Christo,
I would guess that the limiting factor of an Optacon IIII is
financial. The people designing and implementing the device
I am sure have spent personal funds to see the project to
where it is but personal finances have their limits.
Manufacture and retail costs of a small number of devices
would be high and would be "up front" costs. Presumably
something would have to happen in that area before we would
see the new device.
And I wonder, at the end of the day, how many Optacons would
be sold? I have one working one and another marginally
working, which Richard Oehm could return to health. And I
am an old guy and truly wonder about the economics of
investing in another device when I am pretty well set right
now. But, I do love new accessibility technology so who
knows!
I hold the Optacon in heighest regard - I've been a user for
nearly forty-five years and know that my personal and
professional lives were significantly improved by the
Optacon. It's been said here before that younger users will
be hard to recruit, both due to the learning curve and the
availability of so many newer technologies.
I wish the project the very best and will of course continue
to be interested in the project.
Thanks for reading my thoughts.
Pat ByrneAt 10:16 AM 12/18/2016, you wrote:
You know, we have been reading about the Optacon
3 for some years now and it doesn't seem to be any closer
to reality.
Will this remain a pipe dream forever. All the discussions
and
exchanges of thoughts and ideas about it don't seem to get
anywhere.
Perhaps discussions should change direction and begin
focussing on
actually making it happen. I have to ask myself: will I see
a
redesigned Optacon within the remainder of my lifetime?
Kind regards
Christo
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016 5:27 PM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic
design and
mechanics of the optacon III
The more bells and whistles, the more the cost of design
and
manufacturing and the more things there are to go wrong -
KISS - keep
it simple, smart guy.
Bye for now,
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:optacon-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of C.
Pond
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:47 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic
design and
mechanics of the optacon III
I must confess to being confused by the replies. On the
one hand, we
want an Optacon-like device just for reading. On the other
hand, we
want an optacon module which is a part of a device. All
doable.
The souped up optacon III--which looked very much like the
Optacon II
in a polished smooth metal case did just that. The speech
was made to
work thanks to the help of a certain company. It could
respond to
input from its specialized camera of course, and from a
scanner, and of
course read files in memory.
It seems now that a module as a part of a more encompassing
system with
one-handed reading capabilities is what is prefered?
Just to understand, is this correct?
Personally, I liked the souped up Optacon III just fine,
but the
reality for better or worse is that it might needs be a
part of a
greater system. Man:
I could see as the device was several features like a nifty
audio-calculator with the benefit of an optacon display
working
together just fine, but so be it.
Thanks for clarification,
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Näränen
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:11 AM
To: optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optacon-l] Re: a question regarding the ergonomic
design and
mechanics of the optacon III
Hello,
I definitely agree with Noel and Carolyn, I would like to
have a device
merely for reading.
Best wishes,
Marianne
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