That would be my preference. Alas, the courts ruled differently in 1994, so this run will be over in 2115 or so. John Willkie > Actually I hold to the older point common before the eighties that > patents should apply only to tangible inventions, not mathematics, > algorithms, or software. > > - Tom > > johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > >> Do you spend all your time chasing boogeymen? I think you need a bit of >> perspective on the current state of IP licensing vis a vis what came >> before. Ron Moore of via licensing had such a presentation today at the >> tech retreat, and I had the chance to talk to him for a few minutes >> afterward. >> >> Would you rather negotiate non-level terms individually with patent >> holders? Or -- more likely -- do you consider patents to be theft? >> >> John Willkie >> >> >>>I wonder how much power the MPEG-LA has these days. IIRC, they >>>originally got some informal declaration from the SEC, FTC, Justice >>>Dept. (one of them?) that they would not be declared any sort of illegal >>>monopoly or conspiracy in setting up patent pools, even though it >>>obviously took cooperation and agreements from many large competing >>>players in any given industry. >>> >>>But I wonder if patent pools themselves can eventually wield huge power >>>and be a possible problem. Can any group conspire to eventually own all >>>the ideas in the world? And can the ability to collude and set >>>licensing terms for any technology enable the power to create barriers >>>to entry to new participants. >>> >>>For instance, did they manage to ki > ll WM9/VC1? It would be very strange >>>to image MSFT as a victim. ;-) >>> >>>- Tom >>> >>> >>>Donald Koeleman wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>>MPEG LA Issues Revised License for DVB-T; Changes Meet Emerging Market >>>>Conditions >>>>Jan 24, 2005 00:01 >>>>MPEG LA Issues Revised License for DVB-T; Changes Meet Emerging Market >>>>Conditions >>>>DENVER --(Business Wire)-- Jan. 24, 2005 >>>>MPEG LA, LLC announced today that it has issued a >>>>revised DVB-T Patent Portfolio License. The new License will provide >>>>uninterrupted coverage to current Licensees and coverage to new >>>>Licensees under patents that are essential to the DVB-T Standard >>>>(European Telecommunications Standardization Institute ("ETSI") >>>>document ETS300744 >>> >>>) adopted for use in digital terrestrial television >>> >>>>broadcasting in Europe, India, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and >>>>other countries. >>>> >>>> The revised License has been restructured to be more convenient to >>>>licensees in selecting the coverage they want for their DVB-T >>>>receivers (e.g., in digital television sets and set-top boxes). Under >>>>the revised License, a licensee may select either (a) the same >>>>coverage provided by the old License under all essential DVB-T patents >>>>at the same royalty of 0.75 euro per product or (b) a subset of that >>>>coverage at a reduced royalty of 0.50 euro per product. >>>> >>>> "As DVB-T implementation moves into high gear in Europe and other >>>>markets throughout the world, MPEG LA is pleased to be able to meet >>>>the emerging demand with a revised patent license making it even more >>>>convenient and affordable for users to gain access to the essential >>>>technology they need," said Baryn S. Futa, Chief Executive Officer of >>>>MPEG LA. >>>> >>>> For more information about the new DVB-T Patent Portfolio License >>>>or to request a copy of the License, please visit >>>>http://www.mpegla.com/dvb/. >>>> >>>> The DVB-T Patent Portfolio License is provided for the convenience >>>>of DVB-T users enabling them to obtain coverage under essential >>>>patents owned by multiple patent holders in a single license as an >>>>alternative to negotiating separate licenses with each of them. >>>>Current holders of essential patents in the DVB-T Patent Portfolio >>>>License include France Telecom, Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V., >>>>Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. and Victor Company of Japan >>>>(JVC). It is MPEG LA's objective to include as much essential >>>>intellectual property as possible for the benefit of licensees. >>>>Therefore, any party that believes it has a patent which is essential >>>>to the DVB-T standard and would like to participate in the DVB-T >>>>Patent Portfolio License is invited to submit its patent(s) for an >>>>evaluation of essentiality by MPEG LA's patent experts and inclusion >>>>in the License if determined to be essential. Interested parties may >>>>request a copy of the terms and procedures governing patent >>>>submissions by going to http://www.mpegla.com/dvb/dvb-licensors.cfm. >>>> >>>> >>>> MPEG LA, LLC >>>> >>>> >>>> MPEG LA is the world leader in one-stop technology platform patent >>>>licenses, enabling users to acquire patent rights necessary for a >>>>particular technology standard or platform from multiple patent >>>>holders in a single transaction as an alternative to negotiating a >>>>license with each of them. Wherever an independently administered >>>>one-stop patent license would provide a convenient marketplace >>>>alternative to assist users with implementation of their technology >>>>choices, the licensing model pioneered and employed by MPEG LA may >>>>provide a solution. MPEG LA is not related to any standards agency and >>>>is not an affiliate of any patent holder. MPEG LA licenses portfolios >>>>of essential patents for the MPEG-2, IEEE 1394, DVB-T, MPEG-4 Visual >>>>(Part 2), MPEG-4 Systems and AVC/H.264 (also known as MPEG-4 Part 10) >>>>standards. MPEG LA is also facilitating the development of alternative >>>>patent portfolio licenses relating to DRM Reference Model v 3.0 >>>>including OMA DRM 1.0 and OMA DRM 2.0, the proposed SMPTE VC-1 >>>>standard, the ATSC standard, and the DVB-H standard. In addition, MPEG >>>>LA actively seeks to adopt its alternative patent licensing model in >>>>other industries including biotech and pharmaceutical. For more >>>>information, please refer to http://www.mpegla.com. >>>> >>>>MPEG LA >>>>Lawrence Horn, 301-986-6660 >>>>fax: 301-986-8575 >>>>email: lhorn@xxxxxxxxxx >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >>>> >>>>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at >>>>FreeLists.org >>>> >>>>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >>>>unsubscribe in the subject line. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >>> >>>- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at >>>FreeLists.org >>> >>>- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >>>unsubscribe in the subject line. >>> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >> >> - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at >> FreeLists.org >> >> - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >> unsubscribe in the subject line. >> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.