Solving the problem for Doug and Bert... It seems that the real issue for both Bert and Ernie (excuse me Doug), is programming choice. This is not surprising, since they both seem to be stuck in another era when there were only 4-5 channels to surf. Let's look a bit closer at their comments: At 11:54 AM -0500 3/15/05, Manfredi, Albert E wrote: >It's even more true. Because you have people living far >from OTA stations, who need to get decent coverage. >Overlapping coverage helps ensure ubiquitous coverage. No, Bert, this is not true. Ubiquitous coverage comes from the delivery of the INTENDED signals for the market in which the viewer lives, at a C/N level that is sufficient to guarantee reliable service. The availability of out-of-market-signals may enable the delivery of some additional content, but it often precludes the provisioning of a true multi-channel system with REAL programming choice. What you guys are debating is how much syndicated content you can watch that is differentiated from market to market. When prime time rolls around, you lose that choice, getting 2-3 stations that duplicate the same content. Now that is a model of efficiency! >Where does someone who lives in Aberdeen, Havre de >Grace, or even Elkton MD get his TV signal from, Craig? >Why should a Baltimore or Philadelphia station owner >NOT want to cover those communities? According to the market coverage maps the answer is Baltimore. >I think I see the problem. You're thinking backwards >here. The local affiliate wants to "protect" his market >from intrusions from distant affiliates on a local cable >system. BUT this doesn't mean the local affiliate wants >to limit his own area of coverage. The local station has little choice with respect to the coverage from their big stick. The contours, tower height, power levels and masking are all determined largely by the FCC (and FAA/ local governments for tower citing). And all of this is primarily driven by market-into-market interference considerations. The battle lines are drawn over who gets the placement on cable systems (or DBS local-into-local) when the cable system can place an antenna on a big tower and receive duplicated services from several markets. If the cable system is inside the grade B countours for a station, there is no debate - they get carriage. If the cable system is "between markets," they may carry signals from multiple markets, or they may negotiate with a station from one market or another for carriage. And then there are unique situations like here in Gainesville. We have no NBC affiliate. The closest NBC stations are in Jacksonville and Orlando. Even with an antenna on a 300 foot tower, off-air reception is unreliable due to the distances and weather related issues. Channel 2 in Orlando negotiated carriage on the Gainesville Cox Cable system, and they bear the cost of microwave links to get the signal here. Technically, Ocala to our south is part of the Orlando market (but off-air reception is tenuous at best. So Channel 2 brings the signal to Ocala, then adds another hop to bring it to Gainesville. The other option for a station is to add translators to extend coverage, as has been discussed by Dale and others. But this is usually done to deal with terrain shielding, or to provide access to communities that would otherwise have NO TV service. You don't see dueling translators out in the unserved areas between markets. >It's like competing for shelf space in a supermarket. >Coke might want to protect its space from Pepsi and >others, sure. But does that mean that Coke wants to >deliberately *reduce* its own shelf space to allow more >room for Pepsi? Sorry Bert. Perhaps this is at the heart of your misunderstanding. There IS no competition in over-the air broadcasting, other than that which occurs within a market. You may get to choose between ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS, UPN, or WB, but you are NOT supposed to be able to choose between two CBS or Two NBC affiliates. As I mentioned previously, the area you live is somewhat unique, since it lies between two markets that have huge overlaps; this is the exception, not the rule. Broadcasters are PROTECTED from competition. There is no shelf space for duplicated programming - government regulations prevent this in all but a few markets nationwide. > >Similarly, the Balt OTA station might not want the >Phila affiliate to be carried on Baltimore cable >systems, but this sure doesn't mean that Balt >affiliate wants to cut out those far-reaching >communities in Maryland or even Delaware. Just look at the contour maps Bert. These define the service area, and thus who gets carried on the cable systems. If there is a gap between the Grade B contours, then the cable systems in those gaps are free to bring in signals from both markets, or to negotiate with the broadcaster for carriage. >That's why OTA transmission infrastructure owned >by the broadcaster is so good. Competition can work. >Each one can maximize its signal to be receivable >by the biggest audience possible, subject to >constraints that are imposed to allow for fair >competition and decent level of service to >communities. What competition? The essence of OTA broadcasting today is the LACK of competition.Without this, OTA would not survive, or it would be far less profitable. >Not at all. Clear channel AM stations, for instance, >had an advantage because at night, they could be >received very far away. It's an ADVANTAGE to the OTA >broadcaster to maximize his *own* coverage, and the >only thing limiting that is FCC regs. This was by plan. The propagation characteristics for the clear channel AM stations are unique. This was recognized early on and a limited number of frequencies were assigned to provide regional "superstations." There is no parallel in TV, other than the Superstations carried on cable and DBS, which rely on Satellite distribution. TV is market based, along with the special protections afforded within those markets. >Nonsense, Craig. Look at the design before repeating >things that are not supported by the facts. Uhhhhh. I did. Just more of your usual nonsense. At 11:25 AM -0600 3/15/05, Doug McDonald wrote: >And people want those extra stations! Of course YOU do. With only a few channels to choose from, any additional choice is desirable, even if the content is duplicated locally most of the time. > >I do, and have for oh, since a week before the last Super Bowl. > >Why? Because we now have three Fox network affiliates. >Two are co-owned and broadcast identical programming (no local news). > >But our third one, whose COL is Bloomington, is different. >They have news at 9 pm, not 10 pm. This really is different >and they really do get an audience, to wit, sometimes me. Choice is good. > >And this is entirely due to digital, ATSC, and 1 MW power. >Without all three of those they would be out of reach. Their >analog is hopelessly weak, even with a huge cut to channel >antenna pointed right at it. But a million watts of digital >results in a reliable signal, albeit a very low margin. >With COFDM ... I would need a rotor. With ATSC, I don't. I am so impressed that the system provides you with a service that is not intended to cover your market. I'm sure the company that owns the two Fox stations (one of which IS intended to serve your market) are equally impressed... ;-) Now let me ask both of you a simple question. Choose one of the following: 1. Keep the current high powered ATSC approach. You will receive 5-8 channels of content intended for your market, and may have access to additional distant signals that mostly duplicate this content. 2. Move to a spectrally efficient transmission network designed to serve your market reliably. You will receive at least 15 channels, and the multiplex will deliver at least 40 unique programming services. In addition you will be able to access premium content and other digital services, with the ability to support mobile and portable reception using simple antennas. Why do I already know what Bert and Ernie will choose... Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.