Yes its true for 18G copper is up to 10m and Fiber/Cooper hybrids (copper
inside used for slow data) are 10m and higher. I think anything faster
then 18G will shorten pure copper distances below 10m. Looking at our
discussion its hard to find video content even at 18G. The
4K/60/4:2:0/10bit is 11.1G and even 4K/60/4:2:0/12bit is 13.4G
Best Regards
Mike Tsinberg
http://keydigital.com
On 12/17/16, 4:27 PM, "cooleman@xxxxxx" <cooleman@xxxxxx> wrote:
Intial content is largely sports, and series, so those will be 50/60P,
at IBC I was told two years ago, ask if the demo channel is actually
transmitted in 50P or just 25P. Now most of the 4K channels on air are
50/60P. Pioneering 4K channel Pearl.tv is probably the only one still
doing 30(25?)P as it was the first live 4K channel on air, and it is a
German shopping channel using a Black Magic Designs 3 camera set-up,that
was limited to 30P, and no real need for a static shopping channel.
BTW did you see this, copper HDMI cable doing 30 gigabit/s 3 10 Gbs
channels, so no need for fiber. And a wide divergence in capacity in
fiber products:
http://www.cepro.com/article/hdmi_bandwidth_speed_18gbps_30gbps_confusion.
Mike Tsinberg schreef op 17-12-2016 22:15:
Donald,
Are you saying that new titles are encoded mostly in 50/60P?
It seems HDR10 is sort off de facto format. I do not here much about
Dolby
Vision.
Best Regards
Mike Tsinberg
http://keydigital.com
On 12/17/16, 4:05 PM, "cooleman@xxxxxx" <cooleman@xxxxxx> wrote:
For streaming/broadcasting I would say 50/60P, with (legacy) movie
titles 24P. I doubt there will much in HBO style programming 4K
box-sets. Dolby Vision is 12 bits.
Mike Tsinberg schreef op 16-12-2016 20:28:
So for retail streaming/broadcasting/Blu Ray release can I assume the
following:
The color space is always 4:2:0
The bit depth is always 10 bit
The Frame rate is 24 for majority of content, 60 for some content,
120
possibly (60 for 3D or 120 2D) in the future?
Best Regards
Mike Tsinberg
http://keydigital.com
On 12/16/16, 2:01 PM, "opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
cooleman@xxxxxx" <opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
cooleman@xxxxxx> wrote:
Anything modern is HDR, so 10 bit. 120FPS is still a thing of the
future
(though i have been saying what 120, 1200 for a decade when Mark
first
stated presenting the Gary Demos experiments here). Secondly you
forgot
that it is in 3D, so basically 240 FPS 4K 4:2:0. As for theatrical
release Ang Lee spoke of creating versions for 2K 120 fps, 4K60, and
4K(/2K) 24 FPS. All are supported by most theaters he said. So
expect
to
see retail to be limited to one or more of these.
Mark Schubin schreef op 16-12-2016 18:52:
Don't know.
On 12/16/2016 10:08 AM, Mike Tsinberg wrote:
Is it transmission/streaming format 4K/120Hz/4:2:0/8bit? The HDMI
bit rate for that format is 18G
Best Regards
Mike Tsinberg
http://keydigital.com
From: <opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Mark Schubin
<tvmark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: "opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 10:39 PM
To: "opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [opendtv] Re: Real 4K formats
Given Ang Lee's "Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk," 120-fps and S3D
are in the foreseeable future, supported or not.
TTFN,
Mark
On 12/15/2016 3:33 PM, Mike Tsinberg wrote:
There is so much confusion in commercial and residential markets
about 4KUHD HDMI data rates now that I need to ask production
community: what are the highest 4KUHD resolution format encoding
rates for streaming, broadcasting and Blue Ray content now and in
foreseeable future?
This table is from Belden paper:
http://www.belden.com/blog/datacenters/Understanding-4K-Necessary-Dat
a-
Ra
tes.cfm
I think the answer is 4K/30Hz/4:2:0/8 bit that is 4.46 Gb/s or
4K/60Hz/4:2:0/8 that is 8.91 Gb/s
Best Regards,
Mike Tsinberg
http://keydigital.com
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