And my point was that saying that China has more x than country z isn't very helpful, since its population is at least four times that of the U.S. It's tv penetration rate is less than that of the U.S., if only by a smidgeon. Of course, CCTV, etc is one of those "manufacturing assent" type of organizations, to borrow from Noam Chomsky. And, there are relative differences between countries and economies. I can go to the McDonald's in San Ysidro and buy a double cheeseburger for $1.08 with tax, and I have done this hundreds of times over the last decade. Then, I can cross the border, and stop at the McDonald's at the Viva Tijuana shopping center, where the double cheeseburger costs more than $2.00 in U.S. dollars. I have done this dozens of times over the last ten years. McDonalds has effectively the same products with the same ingredients in both markets, but they serve different economies and different market segments in both countries. Here's another example of market differences. When it gets cold hereabouts, I see all sorts of Mexicans jumping on the San Diego Trolley, going Southbound, carrying clear plastic bags that contain fluffy blankets that cost about $10. When I get off the trolley at the southern terminus, I can watch Americans who -- presumably for the same purpose -- are carrying Mexican horse blankets (much smaller, rougher, and much less warm) that they buy for $10. These Americans actually travel past where the Mexicans buy their blankets, and get lower-quality product. (I guess it's possible that some of the horse blankets are actually used for horses, but I don't think that's much of a market hereabouts.) I suspect that the Americans think that they are getting a good deal. Mexicans know better. I might have overstated the taco-eating penetration in China. Three decades ago, my cousin in Illinois had to travel 40 miles to get taco fixin's. Now, he can get them at his local Taco Bell (after a fashion) or at any supermarket. John Willkie, who really needs to get back to finishing his "beta site agreement" -----Mensaje original----- De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de John Shutt Enviado el: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:14 AM Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [opendtv] Re: News: Tuning In Mobile TV--Chinese Style ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Willkie" <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > China also probably has more taco-eaters than the U.S. population. But, > the > U.S. cellphone penetration is now 80%. Remember Dermot's prediction that > it > won't get that high? I don't think that China has 80% cellphone > penetration, even with Chinese-sourced cellphones. John, say I have some money in my left pocket, and some money in my right pocket. Do you want 80% of my left pocket, or 35% of my right pocket? You need to know how much is in each pocket before you can make the choice that nets you more money. According to the CIA World Factbook, China has 461.1 million cell phones (in 2006), out of a population of 1.3 billion, or a penetration rate of just under 35%. The US total population, again according to the CIA World Factbook, is estimated to be 301 million as of July 2007, and has 233 million cell phones (in 2006.) That is a penetration rate of 77%. If I were selling cell phones, or tacos, to both countries, I wouldn't care that the US has a higher penetration rate than China. I'd only care that I sold 461 million vs. 233 million. John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.