On May 6, 2013, at 7:37 PM, "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Craig Birkmaier wrote: > >> The real question here is whether this service is even needed in >> the digital age. Desktop computers have had the ability to keep >> their clocks set properly for decades. > > True. Because they go to an NTP server somewhere, typically also owned and > run by NIST by the way (!), to get UTC. But for that, you need an IP stack > and some kind of Internet connection, ISP contract, and so on. > > …… > To me, the standard is most useful for any manner of appliance that is not > otherwise connected to the Internet or to radio/TV. Like your standard > clocks, alarm clocks, watches, etc. But this raises an obvious question. What is the relative cost of implementing the new radio needed to receive the enhanced WWVB signal versus a single chip processor that implements the IP stack, and WiFi, essentially turning the device into a "smart" programmable appliance? Perhaps this would be overkill for a clock radio, but the vast majority of these devices have become docks for MP3 players and smart phones, and the trend today is to a wireless connection (usually Bluetooth) to these devices so that audio can be streamed to them. As we move into the next generation of smart appliances the cost of such a processor should be VERY cheap. For example, I just purchased a Jawbone JamBox wireless speaker to use with my Mac Mini, iPhone and iPad. The connection is Bluetooth, but the JamBox has significant intelligence and connects to the JawBone server for updates via a computer USB connection. It uses audio synthesis to communicate information to the user, acts as a VERY GOOD speakerphone, and easily connects to multiple devices. The device relies on the USB connection to utilize the computer's IP stack and browser to connect to the server. And you mention watches, a device I have not used since I got my first smart phone. In case you had not noticed, there is a very large wave of speculation about smart watches, and what they will be able to do. Actual products could be all over the map, enabling a variety of applications. This raises the question, would such a device need access to a radio based time service? My personal guess is that the primary purpose for a digital device you place on your arm will be related to security and e-commerce. Theft of smart phones and tablets is a huge problem today. Various security protocols that let you and authorities track a stolen device are helpful but relatively easy to circumvent. A simple band on your arm, like the Lance Armstrong cancer survivor bands, could contain an NFC or other security chip that pairs with your phone or tablet to enable transactions; without both the phone or tablet could be rendered useless. Who knows? A watch to figure out what time it is? That's so 20th Century! A watch as a fashion statement - unfortunately yes; just ask my daughter. Regards Craig