Mark Schubin wrote: > Well, what actually happened was the court said the > FCC didn't have the unilateral authority to impose > the broadcast flag but that Congress was welcome to > do so (they haven't yet). But even if the broadcast flag became law, FCC 03-273 is extremely clear on what has to be allowed, regardless of whether the flag is set. I'm saying that as long as the broadcast flag cannot be allowed to prevent copying for personal use, examples of which include but are not limited to time shifting, copying must be allowed even if the whole broadcast flag concept is never imposed. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is consistent with fair use rights established previously, when digital TV wasn't a factor. ---------------Quoting FCC 03-273-------------- II. DIGITAL BROADCAST TELEVISION AND CONTENT PROTECTION 5. As an initial matter, we must address the appropriate type of content protection for digital broadcast television. MPAA advances the use of a redistribution control system which would limit the redistribution of digital broadcast television content, but ***not restrict consumers from copying programming for their personal use***. A number of commenters agree in principle that consumers' ability to record digital broadcast television should not be restricted. We concur and find that redistribution control is a more appropriate form of content protection for digital broadcast television than copy restrictions. This determination is in keeping with our earlier decision to prohibit copy restrictions on unencrypted digital broadcast television when retransmitted on MVPD systems. ... 9. In light of our decision to adopt a redistribution control scheme and to avoid any confusion, we wish to reemphasize that our action herein ***in no way limits or prevents consumers from making copies of digital broadcast television content***. 10. We also wish to clarify our intent that the express goal of a redistribution control system for digital broadcast television be to prevent the indiscriminate redistribution of such content over the Internet or through similar means. This goal will ***not (1) interfere with or preclude consumers from copying broadcast programming*** and using or redistributing it within the home or similar personal environment as consistent with copyright law, or (2) foreclose use of the Internet to send digital broadcast content where it can be adequately protected from indiscriminate redistribution. ----------------------------------------------- I don't know how they could be clearer. So at the *very* least, broadcasts must be permitted to be copied on the first medium encountered in the recording device, when this recording device is for personal use recordings (VCRs, DVDRs, PVRs), no matter what the CGMS setting might be. Even if CGMS says "copy never," the personal recording device MUST be allowed to make a copy. I would argue that the wording above allows for copies to be made for more than just temporary "caching," and in more than stictly VCR/DVDR/PVR devices. The wording clearly covers copies made for archival purposes and redistribution to occur with one's home. The only stipulation is "personal use" only. That's why I get indignant when broadcasters don't allow my DVDR to do its thing. And that's why DVDR programmers, at least for the US market, should remove that copy never vulnerability from their software. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.