Craig Birkmaier wrote: > Actually CNN and Fox News offer live streams, for authenticated > MVPD subscribers. That's nothing more than TVE, Craig. This Reuters service, just as all of the other examples we've been talking about, go BEYOND this TVE last gasp attempt. They go "direct to consumer." >> Can you go to FOTI cbs.com with your iPad or iPhone? I'm curious. >> I'll bet you can't. > > Yes Bert, I can go to ANY site on my iPad or IPhone. Sorry, I don't believe you. Did you try? The reason I ask is that if I try streaming cbs.com to our Kindle Fire, it appears like it's going to work at first, much as it does on my PC, but you end up with the video screen remaining black. Whether it's Flash or the other optional protocols that aren't supported in the Kindle, I don't know. > I can't argue that this trend is good or bad. But it IS what is > happening. And it IS NOT Apple, Roku or Google that are forcing this > - it is the content owners. I don't *begin* to buy this, Craig. In all of CE history, including in the Internet era, the model has been that the originators/transmitters of content use a particular standard, or a small set of standards, and the CE manufacturers take it upon themselves to comply with this or these standards. This to ensure that the content is available to users. The CE vendors have NEVER had to beg for this. Do you see Sony or LG having to beg the TV networks for permission to decode ATSC? Do you see Dell having to go begging to, say, Amazon, to oh please let me have access to your portal? No, of course not. As long as the congloms make their stuff available, it is the responsibility of the **CE vendors** to comply. Not to make special demands, for their own ultimate ulterior motives. The only ones to blame, when services made available by content owners aren't available to certain CE devices, are the CE device makers. > And I DO NOT favor these schemes or other monopoly/oligopoly > business models. Again, I don't believe you. This is what you said, Craig: > but it is nice to know that you are paying for at least on streaming > service... Why would you think it's "nice," if you weren't in favor? (In fact, we pay Amazon Prime for the free shipping, since my wife uses Amazon extensively.) > The days of free (ad supported) content are numbered; Craig! You've been saying this for 20 years, that I'm aware of. The opposite is true. Ad supported is the norm over the web, and that's where TV is heading. US TV viewers have been conditioned to think TV is only available by subscription, but isn't it great that the younger ones are saying bull. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.