****** )))))))) Is it the high altitude, oxygen deprivation? The Curmudgeon is disturbingly reminiscent of Pollyanna tonight. In 1977 my friend Julio told me that CBCs are not winter counts, but late autumn samples. Then someone named Joel Geier brought up the same thing a year or two ago, proposing applying the CBC protocol in January or February to generate some real winter data. Many people opined that mobilizing sufficient talent at another date just wasn't going to happen. I have long fretted about this and that aspect of Christmas, as nearly everyone does. But the very existence of CBCs makes me look forward to Christmas year after year. As a minor without car or driver's license I never got to go on more than two CBCs a year. Last year I did four, a record for me, and I wouldn't have minded more. It well may be my all time favorite peculiarity of American culture. I went through a 25 year hiatus with CBCs. When I returned I found them vastly improved. The species totals for counts in populous parts of western Oregon have gone up 20-30%. I think much of the charm of the counts is the very limitations Alan mentions. The arbitrary nature of the circle, the mixture of habitats within assigned areas of that circle, provide a blend of structure and challenges that give me a satisfaction I don't think is available otherwise. There is enormous cultural momentum to the CBC. I can't imagine any of it can be transferred. On the other hand, the Great Backyard Bird Count had impressive participation WORLDWIDE last year. Keep thinking out loud, Big Al. Lars OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx