Hi all, Every year about this time, this question -- Sooty or Dusky? -- comes up as birders head into the mountains and encounter more of these "fancy forest chickens," as Khanh likes to call them. Unfortunately the maps in most continental-scale field guides -- whether printed or on-line -- do a very poor job of depicting the ranges in the areas where this question comes up in Oregon and Washington. The most useful "Blue" Grouse map that I've seen for our region is on p.3 of this excellent article which Washington DFW biologist Michael Schroeder wrote for Washington Birder: http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01312/wdfw01312.pdf According to Dave Budeau (who's in charge of Oregon's upland gamebird program for ODFW), this distribution matches up with hunter check-station data (grouse wings & tails) from Oregon. The situation in Washington is complicated, due to an overlap zone in the northern Washington Cascades/Okanogan region which extends nearly as far south as Mt. Rainier. In Oregon, thankfully the situation is much simpler to describe: If you're in the Oregon Cascades or farther west, the only possibility is Sooty Grouse. Sooty Grouse also occur in south-central Oregon, as far east as the Warner Mountains. The Dusky Grouse range in Oregon extends farther west than most field guides show, through the Strawberry Range and Aldrich Mountains and on through the Ochoco Mountains, reaching Wheeler, Crook, and the easternmost bit of Jefferson Co. Jefferson Co. is the only Oregon county that includes at least part of the range for both Sooty Grouse and Dusky Grouse. Good luck if you try to find them both in one day! Happy grousing, Joel -- Joel Geier Camp Adair area north of Corvallis OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx