North American Perisoreus really should be split into 2-3 species, Pacific
coastal (includes Cascades), Rocky Mountain, and Boreal, so more names would be
needed. "Oregon Jay" was used for Pacific ones thru the 1957 AOU Checklist.
This is one of quite a few species/groups with Pacific, Interior West and
eastern/boreal forms. Others include 3 sapsuckers, 3 "Solitary" vireos
(interior one is way south), already split, a number that probably should
remain subspecies (Orange-crowned Warbler, Wilson's Warbler, White-crowned
Sparrow), others not so well studied (American Three-toed Woodpecker, Pine
Grosbeak).
Wayne
From: "Roy Lowe" <roy.loweiii@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Alan Contreras" <acontrer56@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "baro@xxxxxxx" <baro@xxxxxxx>, "whoffman" <whoffman@xxxxxxxx>, "obol"
<obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 8:04:25 PM
Subject: Re: [obol] Re: McCown’s Longspur renamed Thick-billed Longspur -
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How about a descriptive name like gray jay!
Roy Lowe
Waldport, OR
On Aug 10, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Alan Contreras <acontrer56@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Untrustworthy Jay?
Alan Contreras
Eugene, Oregon
acontrer56@xxxxxxxxx
www.alanlcontreras.com
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On Aug 10, 2020, at 3:27 PM, Robert O'Brien <baro@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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I'm going to reserve judgment on the hummingbird given the current status of
the word alien.
However I strongly object to the name Camp Robber. In the long history of our
country we have always conformed to the concept that an accused is considered
innocent unless duly convicted. This of course applies to birds as well. In all
of our ornithological history no bird has ever been convicted by a court of his
peers of anything. I might be comfortable with the name Alleged Camp Robber but
I'll have to give it some thought including where to place the hyphen.
Bob O'Brien Carver Oregon
On Monday, August 10, 2020, Alan Contreras < [ mailto:acontrer56@xxxxxxxxx ;|
acontrer56@xxxxxxxxx ] > wrote:
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I’m with you on Alien’s Hummingbird for sure. We may eventually have doubts
about Canada Jay and can revert to Camp Robber.
Alan Contreras
[ mailto:acontrer56@xxxxxxxxx ;| acontrer56@xxxxxxxxx ]
Eugene, Oregon
[ http://www.alanlcontreras.com/ ;| www.alanlcontreras.com ]
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On Aug 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Wayne Hoffman < [ mailto:whoffman@xxxxxxxx ;|
whoffman@xxxxxxxx ] > wrote:
Here is a different perspectiyve. The article about Thick-billed Longspur made
brief reference to a move to replace patronyms in general. I think this is a
great idea, for reasons unrelated to the behavior, appreciated or deplored, of
the honored. I will be happy to see new names for Audubon's gaggle of
namesakes, ditto Bachman, Baird, Blackburn, Cassin, Clark, Cooper, Franklin,
Lawrence, Lewis, Lincoln, Lucy, Ross, Steller, Swainson, Wilson, and all the
rest. Some of these were definitely shady characters, but others may have been
above reproach, for all I know. But it would be better to name birds for
features of their appearance, habitat, range, etc. I preferred Pileolated
Warbler to Wilson's,
And anyway, the rules of scientific nomenclature will assure that most of these
will retain their Latinized patronyms, and Clark and Lewis, among others, will
still retain their generic accolades.
It would be great, but I suppose unlikely, if the NACC and other powers that
be, would set up a public process to collect nominations for new names to
replace patronyms.
I think a lot of people could have fun with that. For example, attempts at
minimal changes to names might yield Stellar Jay, Rosy Gull, Alien's
Hummingbird etc.
Wayne
From: "Lars Per Norgren" < [ mailto:larspernorgren@xxxxxxxxx ;|
larspernorgren@xxxxxxxxx ] >
To: "rriparia" < [ mailto:rriparia@xxxxxxxxxxx ;| rriparia@xxxxxxxxxxx ] >,
"obol" < [ mailto:obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ;| obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ] >
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 3:43:20 PM
Subject: [obol] Re: McCown’s Longspur renamed Thick-billed Longspur -
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Pathetic beyond description. None of these guys would spend a night in jail for
a cause they profess to support. If they want to rewrite or erase history why
not go after FDR who deported 1 million Mexicans, 500,000 of them US citizens.
FDR who imprisoned 10s of thousands of Issei, Nissei, and Sansei , all of them
intensely loyal to our country and many of them citizens by birth. One quarter
of my hometown spent the summer of 1942 in 10×10 plywood cubicles at the
Portland Expo center, a placed designed for cattle.
Of course it's ludicrous to name places in nature, let alone entire taxa, after
dead White men. But now Corvallis School District is renaming Hoover School.
Presumably the board is oblivious to the years Herbert spent administering
famine relief in Ukraine. He saved thousands of lives. Focusing attention on
some utterly obscure officer in the Confederate Army doesn't promote social
justice. It isn't forward looking or even engaged in the present. It's just a
watered down act of cultural appropriation that diminishes the truly important.
Honkies get a life!
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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From: [ mailto:rriparia@xxxxxxxxxxx ;| rriparia@xxxxxxxxxxx ]
Date: 8/10/20 12:27 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: [ mailto:obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ;| obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ]
Subject: [obol] McCown’s Longspur renamed Thick-billed Longspur - BirdWatching
OBOL,
I'm forwarding this link to OBOL, after seeing it posted to CALBIRDS by Steve
Summers. Interesting article, and movement.
I'm posting it for your own information, and not to start a discussion about
it. There are links within the article to gain more insight.
Kevin Spencer
Klamath Falls, OR
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https://www.birdwatchingdaily.com/news/science/mccowns-longspur-renamed-thick-billed-longspur/
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https://www.birdwatchingdaily.com/news/science/mccowns-longspur-renamed-thick-billed-longspur/
]
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