Having been properly schooled by someone who knows what their talking about my goose is a cackling (minima) - a very good lesson for me - you can't stop looking just because you think you have three good field marks. Especially in this case when the head profile of my bird is no where close to that of flat crown of the Aleutian. Well - it could have been a good post had I got it right and was able to show the difference. -- Jack Williamson West Linn, Oregon