[ncsc-moths] Re: [tn-moths] Re: Polyhymno acaciella?
- From: "J. Merrill Lynch" <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 06:55:20 -0400
Even more reason to collect the genus for barcoding.
Merrill
On Aug 7, 2012 8:29 PM, "kjchilds" <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I found out from Mark that there isn't a reference specimen available at
> BOLD which is why they weren't able to take it to the species level. They
> have nothing to compare his submission to.
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> Ken Childs
> Henderson, TN
> Chester County
>
> http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths
> http://www.finishflagfarms.com
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> *From:* kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Cc:* TN-Moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:20 PM
> *Subject:* [tn-moths] Re: Polyhymno acaciella?
>
> No, I didn't collect it.
>
> I heard back from the wild plant expert and as expected, Acacia
> farnesiana wouldn't survive winter this far north. He did offer some
> closely related plants that might be acceptable as a replacement host
> plant...
> Schrankia microphylla and Desmanthus illinoensis.
>
> And I'm sure there's always a possibility of an unknown species confusing
> things even more.
>
> Ken Childs
> Henderson, TN
> Chester County
>
> http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths
> http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>
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> *From:* J. Merrill Lynch <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Cc:* TN-Moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:09 PM
> *Subject:* [ncsc-moths] Re: Polyhymno acaciella?
>
> I checked the original description by Busck (1900) and in the key the
> difference is in acaciella the dorsal (costal) edge is dark and in
> luteostrigella it is white. He also mentions acaciella being larger and
> darker. No mention is made of the width of the stripe as being a
> distinguishing mark. If indeed the only food plant for acaciella is Acacia
> farnesiana--a frost intolerant species, then it would seem to be highly
> unlikely that your Tennessee moth is that species. And, as you point out,
> the OK record was only identified down to genus level. DNA barcoding is
> your only hope to solve the puzzle. Did you collect it?
>
> Merrill
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:55 PM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I see that Mark Dreiling had one just like this in OK but it doesn't
> look like he was able to get it ID'd past the Genus level.
>
> http://bugguide.net/node/view/570681
>
> Like many of these tiny moths that we don't know much about, maybe
> Polyhymno acaciella has adapted to another host plant.
>
> Ken Childs
> Henderson, TN
> Chester County
>
> http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths
> http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>
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> *From:* kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:42 PM
>
> *Subject:* [ncsc-moths] Re: Polyhymno acaciella?
>
> Bob, I've seen plenty P. luteostrigella here in the past which is why I
> immediately knew this one looked different. All luteostrigella seen on my
> farm have had a noticeably thinner white stripe.
>
> Offhand I don't know of any Acacia farnesiana growing in this area or if
> it could grow here. I'm checking with my local wildflower expert to see
> what he has to say about it.
>
> Ken Childs
> Henderson, TN
> Chester County
>
> http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths
> http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>
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> *From:* Bob Perkins <perkybear@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:19 PM
> *Subject:* [ncsc-moths] Re: Polyhymno acaciella?
>
> Ken,
>
> I see what you mean about the amount of white. On the other hand, P.
> luteostrigella is shown to occur in Tennessee. The species name, acaciella,
> makes me think that the food plant is acacia(s). Do you know of any acacia
> ornamentals in your area?
>
> Bob
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> On Aug 7, 2012, at 1:04 PM, kjchilds wrote:
>
> > I had this little Polyhymno sp. last night and it's a perfect match for
> Polyhymno acaciella. IMHO, there is too much white for it to be the more
> common 2211 Polyhymno luteostrigella.
> >
> > In a normal year I might think I was out of the range for P. acaciella
> but this hasn't been a normal year and I'm really not all that far from
> Oklahoma.
> >
> > Ken Childs
> > Henderson, TN
> > Chester County
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths
> > http://www.finishflagfarms.com/
> > <02210-Polyhymno_acaciella-IMG_8988.jpg>
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> Bob Perkins
> Woodlawn, Virginia
> Historian and General Outdoorsman
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> J. Merrill Lynch
> Echo Valley Farm
> Watauga County, NC
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