[ncsc-moths] Re: [tn-moths] Re: Polyhymno acaciella?
- From: kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:29:22 -0700 (PDT)
I found out from Mark that there isn't a reference specimen available at BOLD
which is why they weren't able to take it to the species level. They have
nothing to compare his submission to.
Ken Childs
Henderson, TN
Chester County
http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths
http://www.finishflagfarms.com ;
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From: kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: TN-Moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:20 PM
Subject: [tn-moths] Re: Polyhymno acaciella?
No, I didn't collect it.
I heard back from the wild plant expert and as expected, Acacia farnesiana
wouldn't survive winter this far north. He did offer some closely related
plants that might be acceptable as a replacement host plant...
Schrankia microphylla and Desmanthus illinoensis.
And I'm sure there's always a possibility of an unknown species confusing
things even more.
Ken Childs
Henderson, TN
Chester County
http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths
http://www.finishflagfarms.com ;
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From: J. Merrill Lynch <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx>
To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: TN-Moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Polyhymno acaciella?
I checked the original description by Busck (1900) and in the key the
difference is in acaciella the dorsal (costal) edge is dark and in
luteostrigella it is white. He also mentions acaciella being larger and
darker. No mention is made of the width of the stripe as being a
distinguishing mark. If indeed the only food plant for acaciella is Acacia
farnesiana--a frost intolerant species, then it would seem to be highly
unlikely that your Tennessee moth is that species. And, as you point out, the
OK record was only identified down to genus level. DNA barcoding is your only
hope to solve the puzzle. Did you collect it?
Merrill
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:55 PM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I see that Mark Dreiling had one just like this in OK but it doesn't look like
he was able to get it ID'd past the Genus level.
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>Like many of these tiny moths that we don't know much about, maybe Polyhymno
>acaciella has adapted to another host plant.
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>Ken Childs
>Henderson, TN
>Chester County
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>http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths
>http://www.finishflagfarms.com ;
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> From: kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:42 PM
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>Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Polyhymno acaciella?
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>Bob, I've seen plenty P. luteostrigella here in the past which is why I
>immediately knew this one looked different. All luteostrigella seen on my farm
>have had a noticeably thinner white stripe.
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>Offhand I don't know of any Acacia farnesiana growing in this area or if it
>could grow here. I'm checking with my local wildflower expert to see what he
>has to say about it.
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>Ken Childs
>Henderson, TN
>Chester County
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>http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths
>http://www.finishflagfarms.com ;
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> From: Bob Perkins <perkybear@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:19 PM
>Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Polyhymno acaciella?
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>Ken,
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>I see what you mean about the amount of white. On the other hand, P.
>luteostrigella is shown to occur in Tennessee. The species name, acaciella,
>makes me think that the food plant is acacia(s). Do you know of any acacia
>ornamentals in your area?
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>Bob
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>On Aug 7, 2012, at 1:04 PM, kjchilds wrote:
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>> I had this little Polyhymno sp. last night and it's a perfect match for
>> Polyhymno acaciella. IMHO, there is too much white for it to be the more
>> common 2211 Polyhymno luteostrigella.
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>> In a normal year I might think I was out of the range for P. acaciella but
>> this hasn't been a normal year and I'm really not all that far from
>> Oklahoma.
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>> Ken Childs
>> Henderson, TN
>> Chester County
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>> http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths
>> http://www.finishflagfarms.com/ ;
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>Bob Perkins
>Woodlawn, Virginia
>Historian and General Outdoorsman
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J. Merrill Lynch
Echo Valley Farm
Watauga County, NC
Elevation: 3,400 feet
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