[ncpm] Pride: The Mouse That Dared To Roar...

  • From: "Joy Slave" <joyslave@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: ncpm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 07:37:56 +0000

I have a message to relay to you all from www.yf-sucks.org.uk:

"Ok munchkins, it looks like we have a small victory for now...

But, for the time-being we've only won back something which should have 
never been taken away in the first place: our inalienable right to dissent.

Stay focussed - our main objective is to re-develop the NCPM as an
arts-based resource centre.  Disputes over spoof websites are a mere
sideshow but recent attempts to stifle elements of the Pride In Sheffield 
campaign must appear to be clumsy, spiteful and humourless.

So rant over.  Feast your eyes on my correspondence below with Telewest and 
then have a laff at the updated "Freedom Of Speech: Special Edition" -  
http://www.yf-sucks.org.uk - to learn more about Pride: The Mouse That Dared 
to Roar...


The Good Witch of The South


Dear xxxxxxxxx

Thank you for your mail. After carefully considering the points you raised 
we have decided to restore access to the pwp in question, however I will be 
referring this matter to our Legal Department for further clarification.

As you are aware we have received a complaint and we are duty bound to
investigate the matter. I will also be informing the complainant of our

I apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused.


Xxxxx Xxxxxxx
Security & Internet Abuse Analyst
Internet & Interactive Services
Telewest Broadband


>>-----Original Message-----
>>Subject: RE: Incident xxxxxxxx

>>Dear blueyonder customer,

>Dear xxxxxx

>>It has been brought to our attention that the pwp webspace
>>registered to this account is being used for a site that has caused
>>offence to a third party, against the terms and conditions of

>Please explain further.

>The site that was hosted in the pwp webspace was not intended to
>cause any offence to anybody so if you can inform me which parts or
>sections of the site have caused particular offence then I will ask
>the site designer to remove them.

>The site designer took particular care not to use:

>(a) any names of any real individuals
>(b) any names of any real organisations
>(c) any original text or graphics from any third party website.

>I therefore do not see how it is possible to cause offence to a
>fictional person or fictional entity.  In fact, the site hosted in
>the pwp webspace was basically written as a work of satirical
>political fiction to supplement a pressure group campaign that is
>currently running in Sheffield.

>A little background - the "Pride In Sheffield" campaign has been
>running since October to highlight the potential sale of Sheffield's
>National Centre for Popular Music (NCPM) to a local University for
>the use as a Student Union building.  This is a public building paid
>for with £15 million of Lottery money and will probably be sold to
>the University for £1.8 million.  A regional re-development agency -
>which is unaccountable to taxpayers or voters - is looking favourably
>at this particular proposal.  The NCPM building is an iconic building
>situated in the heart of Sheffield's "Cultural Industries Quarter" -
>an area reserved for creative and artistic businesses and
>endeavours.  "Pride In Sheffield" disagrees with the potential change
>of use of the building - no more than that.

>The "Pride In Sheffield" campaign operates a mailing list and the
>archives are viewable here - ttp://www.freelists.org/archives/ncpm/.
>The campaign also has the support of some local MP's and councillors,
>celebrities, the designers of the building and many local people who
>live and work in Sheffield.  There is also a website here:


>The website hosted with blueyonder was part of a humourous attempt to
>draw attention to the situation.  A disclaimer page supporting the
>site explained that the site should be seen as a caricature of a
>number of characters involved in the story - including the "Pride In
>Sheffield" campaigners themselves.  The domain name -
>www.yf-sucks.org.uk - is part of the Internet tradition of saying "so-
>and-so sucks" when disagreeing with a faceless, monolithic entity
>i.e. www.microsoftsucks.com, www.aolsucks.org and so on.  I coudn't
>find a 'Blueyonder sucks' page but found this interesting lampoon
>of Windows XP that blueyonder are hosting:
>http://www.markyp1963z.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk - I hope that you now
>don't take this site down.

>Satire and caricature have long been part of the canon of British
>political comment and currently find their expression in TV
>programmes such as "Have I Got News For You" and publications
>like "Private Eye" magazine.  Open any UK newspaper on any day of the
>week and you will find statements that are critical of those who have
>been charged with looking after our interests - it is not offensive
>to disagree with the political situation.

>I could go on but I think that I have made my point reasonably
>clear.  This is a real-life David and Goliath story and, to continue
>with the metaphor, Goliath has asked an innocent bystander to step in
>and take David's slingshot away.  The regional re-development agency
>has countless staff and a budget of millions.  All we have who are
>campaigning for a better Sheffield are our wits, our numbers and our

>>We have removed access to the content.

>Please advise me of which parts of the content should be removed, if
>necessary, so that we can get this site reinstated.


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