[mso] Re: what version of MS Office to purchase?
- From: "Donald C. Smith" <DCSmith@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:35:07 -0400
Are you by any chance a professional weight lifter?
Thanks
Don
No problem. And yes, to comply with the current license regs, one has to
be MOBILE. So unless you plan to carry the second PC around on your
back, it would have to be a laptop to be legal. ;-)
BTW...this would also apply to other versions of Office. So if you have
2000, you can also legally install that version on two computers, one
desktop, one mobile device.
-----Original Message-----
From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Wilson Baptista Junior
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 6:17 PM
To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mso] Re: what version of MS Office to purchase?
Hi Dian.
As my office computer and home computer both are at my home office, and
my
wife uses the second computer much less than 20% of the time I use
either
one, maybe the solution is to change the second one to a laptop <G>
Seriously now, as I don't use XP, I indeed had not read the actual
license yet. Thanks for giving me the information. Wilson
At 15:49 11/07/02 -0500, Dian Chapman wrote
>Wilson...
>
>You might want to read the OfficeXP license. If you do, you'll see that
>you CAN still install TWO copies! One on a PC and one on a "moble
>device" such as a laptop.
>
>Below is the text from the Office XP MULA.
>
>SOFTWARE PRODUCT LICENSE
>The Software Product is protected by intellectual property laws and
>treaties. The Software Product is licensed, not sold.
>
>1. GRANT OF LICENSE. This Section of the EULA describes Your
general
>rights to install and use the Software Product The license rights
>described in this Section are subject to all other terms and conditions
>of this EULA. General License Grant to Install and Use Software
>Product. You may install and use one copy of the Software Product on a
>single computer, device, workstation, terminal, or other digital
>electronic or analog device ("Device"). You may make a second copy of
>the Software Product and install it on a portable Device for the
>exclusive use of the person who is the primary user of the first copy
>of the Software Product. A license for the Software Product may not be
>shared.
>
>
>The REASON they changed the license is because the computer world has
>changed at home. In the past, it was more common for the office exec to
>have a home computer that no one touches, cos' they either didn't know
>how to use it, had no reason to use it, or no one DARED touch mom or
>dad's "work computer."
>
>Therefore, they allow a user to install a copy on their MAIN PC
>(usually the office one) and they could take a copy home to install on
>their home WORK computer in order to finish the office work at home.
>
>But these days, no kid or spouse thinks twice about sitting down at the
>FAMILY HOME COMPUTER and working away on their shopping list, household
>inventory or home work papers. Thereby saving mom or dad from having to
>purchase their own family copy of Office cos' they HAD the office copy.
>MS decided to change the licensing to now cover a MOBILE device.
>Assuming mom or dad would again put the "hands off" limits to their
>mobile PC, since there's that family PC for the others to use. Hence a
>licensed user can put one copy on their MAIN system and also on their
>mobile device, being that most execs have both these days.
>
>As for the Product Activation debacle...that was an attempt to try to
>curtail all the rip-offs. Were so many not purchasing/selling illegal
>software, companies would not have to go to such lengths to try to
>protect their products. And if they didn't have to go to such length,
>the cost would not have to escalate. And if the costs didn't escalate,
>there would be less trying to get the software illegally. It's a
>vicious circle.
>
>Dian Chapman
>Technical Consultant, Instructor,
>Microsoft MVP & TechTrax Editor
>
>Tutorial web site: http://www.mousetrax.com/techpage.html
>TechTrax Ezine: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax/
>Instructor: http://www.eclecticacademy.com/faculty.htm
>Word MVP support site: http://www.mvps.org/word
>Microsoft support groups: http://support.microsoft.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Wilson Baptista Junior
>Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:00 AM
>To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [mso] Re: what version of MS Office to purchase?
>
>
>
>Hi Linda,
>It was very good reading this email of yours.
>I'm a systems developer, and I legally buy the software I use (even as
>a
>
>matter of coherence), but I too feel Microsoft is overstepping the
>limits with their licensing policy. As an example: I work from an home
>office, and
>I have two computers there, one mainly used as a backup. Long ago
>Microsoft
>used to have a policy where you could use one license for its products
>both
>on a desktop computer and a laptop, provided you were the person who
>used
>either computer for at least 80% of the time. That seemed to me a fair
>deal; at any one time (with that 20% leeway) the software was being
used
>by
>a single person. As I work alone (my collaborative work is done through
>the
>internet with off-site partners) I used to install MS products on both
>computers, and even though they're both desktops I think that was still
>within the spirit of the licensing scheme. Now, with the new scheme of
>product activation they're implementing on XP, you can't do that any
>more. I don't think that's fair (though it's surely legal). So, as I
>result, I
>don't intend to move up to Win XP and Office XP as long as I can avoid
>it. I side with you in that, MS having become the world "de facto"
>software
>standard, it's getting harder and harder for not well-to-do people to
>work
>and be integrated in today's information-moved life. This is specially
>true
>in less developed countries (BTW, software prices here in Brazil are
>about
>the same as in the USA, though income levels are much lower. Now think
>what
>this situation means, for example, in Afghanistan or in Mozambique).
And
>I
>think MS is actually earning less money than it could be, and making
>more
>and more people go the pirating way, with their heavy-handed pricing
and
>
>licensing policy, besides being more and more regarded as villains
>instead of partners.
>Worse still, all over the world Microsoft's position is increasingly
>equated with the United States' position toward other countries. I
can't
>switch to open source software because my clients all use MS
>products, but you may be sure that when I retire I will.
>Best,
>Wilson
>
>
>At 07:31 11/07/02 -0400, Linda F. Johnson wrote
>
> >Well....we all know that I couldn't stay out of this one for too
> >long....tho I did try LOL
> >
> >The reason I am staying out of it is cuz I really don't know how I
> >feel. I know that Microsoft certainly has the right to protect their
> >products....but, on the other hand, I know that it's becoming
> >impossible for anyone to exist without a computer
> >nowadays....impossible to get a job if you don't know
> >Office....impossible to finish college if you don't have a fully
> >equipped PC in your dorm room.....and Microsoft is making that harder
> >and harder for people to do legally
> >
> >I remember this commercial that was on TV many years ago....there was
> >this rich kid and he was telling you that he had hemophilia, but he
> >was
>
> >ok cuz there was a drug for it....then there was this second kid who
> >was poor and he was saying he had hemophilia and it was great that
> >there was a drug for it, but he couldn't afford it....I remember, as
> >a kid, not understanding that people in the richest nation in the
> >world should have to do without it
> >
> >I'm a college instructor and I see kids from both sides of the
> >tracks.....kids who carry their fancy laptops that daddy bought for
> >them....and kids who stay at the college until the wee hours working
> >on
>
> >the PCs at school cuz they don't have one at home.....or they have
> >one at home but it's full of old software that is not what the
> >college is teaching.....and I think, is this fair?
> >
> >I don't know exactly what I'm saying...like I said, I'm really on the
> >fence about this one.....there are some who see Robin Hood as a hero
> >and others who see him as a thief.....therefore there are some who
> >see warez as people taking from the rich and giving to the poor and
> >there are others who see these guys as lowlifes
> >
> >I just think that many more people than before are now using illegal
> >software.....so, I'm not sure Microsoft's policies are a good thing,
> >either for the public in general or even Microsoft itself....I also
> >see
>
> >Microsoft sitting up and noticing linux....actually *caring* that
> >it's out there.....and I think people's opinion of Microsoft is
> >definitely changing.....and Microsoft appears to be saying "We're the
> >king and we really don't care what people think"
> >
> >Bottom line....if I was starving and needed to learn Excel to get a
> >job
>
> >to feed my family, I would get Excel however I could....cuz I'm a
> >survivor.
> >
> >Do I condone that in public? No. Do I know people who use pirated
> >software? Yep. Do I judge them? Nope. I have to look at the
> >situation. I'm a fan of the little guy. If I see someone stealing
> >from the mom and pop store down the street, I'll be the first one to
> >chase them and knock em down and call for the cops. But, when I see
> >someone who is hungry, stealing food from some huge supermarket chain
> >to feed their kids, I would probably trip the cop who was chasing
> >them.
> >
> >What can I tell ya? I'm a sixties gal. I believe in Power to the
> >People.
> >
> >I do not condone the solicitation of stolen software in this group
> >and I will never allow that. But, I believe everyone has a right to
> >their opinion.
> >
> >So, keep this conversation friendly gang. Allow people to have their
> >own opinion.
>
>
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