I know...it's how the software business works. I shelled out several = hundred $$$ for Dreamweaver last year...and just did it all over again to get = the new version this year.=20 Why? Cos' I feel I need to have the latest version. If I didn't, I = wouldn't buy it. Was I upset I had to pay all that $$$ to get the new version = when the old one still did fine by me...damn right. But if you wanna stay in the game you have to put up or shut up. Sorry...it's the way it is and unless someone with a better idea comes = along and changes the rules...we're stuck in this if we want to stay = competitive! I KNOW how hard it is to build software...so I may hate to pay the = price, but I can understand it.=20 Anyone who says...why didn't they do this...why didn't that do = that...have YOU ever build software? Can you do better? I know I can't and I've = tried. ;-) Dian D. Chapman Technical Consultant,=20 Microsoft MVP & Instructor Free Tutorials: www.mousetrax.com/techtrax Free Word Tips & Tricks eBook: www.mousetrax.com/books.html Learn VBA the easy way, thru video! www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html =20 -----Original Message----- From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = Behalf Of Anne Robson Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:54 AM To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mso] Re: Office 2003 Launch in NYC - an OT grumble <Estimated retail Pricing (is largely unchanged from XP) and upgrades = will be less: * Student/Teacher edition 2003: $149 * Standard edition: $399 * Professional edition: $499 * Stand alones are unchanged at $229 for Word, Excel, Access, PowerPoint = and $109 for Outlook 2003.> Dian I hate to take issue with things on this list but this is a bit = different. Sometimes the hype really gets me down when ANY new product - Microsoft = or otherwise - comes out. Does anything ever get said at these events = about pricing differentials between different countries? Or the cost to small companies - I mean really small, like us ... Just 3 users - of paying = for upgrades to software almost every year? The best price I've seen for an *upgrade* to Office XP 2003 Pro in the UK is GBP =A3250.99 or about $426 = at today's exchange rate (Amazon, http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000BX73E/ref=3Dsr_aps_software= _1_ 3/026-0380714-2219640 in case anybody is interested) which is way beyond = our resources to pay for x 3, having had 2002 only for 6 months. Our company is in financial services, and although we are small we have = to comply with a HUGE range of financial legislation, industry compliance = and other restrictions, at great expense in terms of training and other = factors. We will soon no doubt find ourselves in the situation we hit 6 months = ago that the provider of one of our products, a major life assurance = company, brought out software which initially would NOT work with XP, but in the short space of time since we acquired new hardware with XP pre-installed they have turned it round to the point where support for any pre-XP OS = users will cease as of December. This is forcing small businesses into having = to spend large sums of their turnover on hardware and software to keep up = with changes that they don't otherwise need. Companies like ours can't work without computers now, for all sorts of reasons, but I really get upset when *improvements* I have no need for = are forced on us at great cost. Bill Gates may have dropped from 1st place = in the world's richest men ranking but it must take him a nanosecond to = earn $500 so these issues are peanuts to him. My earning potential is rather slower and $500 makes a big impact in our spending power both as a = business and as a family. It's about time MS started thinking about loyalty bonuses for clients = who've stayed with them and increased Microsoft's profit base at the expense of their own liquidity. And looked at why it costs so much more to buy Microsoft in the UK than in the States. Sorry guys - I just feel really strongly about this - please accept my apologies everybody if I sound angry but I do think this needs to be = said. Anne *ducking down waiting for the fur to fly* -----Original Message----- From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = Behalf Of Dian Chapman Sent: 26 October 2003 20:40 To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Word_VBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; word-ms@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; MSOffice2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mso] Office 2003 Launch in NYC --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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