Have you seen this list of systemd-free OS over at FDN? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=118319 Sorry, Steve . . . your site is pug ugly (and I'm into plain text sites, no eye candy). There's also waaay too much of Steve Litt (the Great) there for my taste. It's a real turnoff. As to content . . . yet another page descriptive of the problem which I just don't have the desire to try to digest. Again, sorry . . . The modular-debian list has been a bit of a disappointment too. Would love to see some real action happening here. The dustbin of history is full of great ideas like this. I do miss you rants on -user. The list hasn't been nearly as entertaining since you were sent down the rabbit hole . . . PS. I couldn't even find the systemd pages from the link below. Had to go to your previous announcement to get it. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 11/3/14, Steve Litt <slitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Subject: [modular-debian] Please critique my web pages To: modular-debian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, November 3, 2014, 10:17 AM Hi all, Somebody whose opinion I trust said my systemd pages were too "ranty", so I removed a lot of rant, stridency, negative characterizations, and obviously opinionated stuff. Could you guys please read my new pages and give opinions? http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Also, if I failed to mention alternatives you think are good, please let me know. Thanks, SteveT