Pierre, If by 'English Green', you mean what is commonly called British Racing Green, then I suppose the LSWR green for goods and secondary passenger engines would be similar. BRG is generally considered to be a very dark green, although I have heard it said that it is actually Brunswick Green. Unfortunately, different people have different interpretations of Brunswick Green! I recommend L.Tavender, "HMRS Livery Register No.3; LSWR & Southern", (1970) which goes into painstaking detail. Between 1883 and 1922, descriptions of the green on goods engines have variously been described as: Dark Green Dark Bronze Green Holly Green Dark holly green Black or very dark green Very dark green, almost black Very dark green On pages 6 and 7, Tavender states, "As originally specified, the boiler, main frames, safety valve lever, outside cylinders, valances, footsteps, wheel centres, tender frames, hornplates, springs, hangers, outside cranks, coal coping and the fron tof axle-boxes were painted dark green.....tender axleboxes were black, and gurard irons, buffer sockets and buffer beams were vermillion. Lining was carried out on the boiler bands, cab panels, splashers, sand-boxes, cylinder clothing, footspteps and tender sides and end, all of which were edged in black and lined in light green. The dge of the coal coping was black, inlined. No lettering was carried at first, the engine number was marked by cut-out brass figures on the cab side, with the usual presentation on the buffer beams. Other later details of lettering and shape of lining conformed to contemporary passenger-engine practice.... Cab interiors were buff and the frame interiors were probably tan. Toolboxes on the engine platform were painted as for tanks. The following parts of engines were painted black: cab roof exterior, splasher and tank tops, tank ends, outside motion plate, outside cylinder ends, step treads, guard irons, axles, axle ends, tyres, tender interior, coal rails, hornplates, axleboxes, springs, spring hangers, brake gear, toolboxes on tender platforms and top......buffer beams were vermillion and motion, buffer heads and handrails bright..." Best wishes, Jem ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pcx" <pierre.courbouleix@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: [modeleng] Re: Dimensions  of ADAMS was 3 1/2 vs 5 " gauge > Hi Jem and other Listees, > I thank you for your answers. Unfortunately I'm not a UK resident and do > not have access to the data available. Regarding the REEVES offer for > ADAMS, I checked their web site and found the wheel dia to be 6 1/4, far > from the 1 1/12 scale, the prototype wheel dia beeing 3 ft 9 3/4 ins. For > the livery do you know if ADAMS had a green paint scheme ? I mean what I > call English Green like the Morgan or Triumph cars ! > Regards > PIerre . > > pierre.courbouleix@xxxxxxxxxx > This e-mail is intended for the adressee(s)only and may contain info that > is the property of, and/or subject to a confidentiality agreement between > the intended recipients.If you have received this e-mail in error, please > contact the originator of this e-mail via e-mail and delete copies from > your computer or network. > Misuse of the content of this e-mail message may violate the Laws of your > Country > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject > line. > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.