We do try Hubert, even if some of us get into trouble for occasional off-topic rambling. TEL Terry me lad I think you are just stringing Hubert along, but I know you would never do anything like that!. Jesse MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.