Peter, What was to me was the ugliest attempt at streamlining on your side of the pond was those upside down bathtubs like the "Duke of Gloucester". Note I said "your side of the pond" over here we had several abortions like the "Hiawatha" and the "Commodore Vanderbilt". I don't much like the NYC RR's "20th Century Limited" designs either. As I have mentioned before, my choice is the SP "Daylight" locos for sheer beauty with the N&W "J Class" as a close second.. What did the "Duchess" class look like? Jesse in summat cool W. Tennessee The J 600 looks very nice. Still, one thing you guys didn't have very much of was a braking system with reservoirs of nothing - or at least very little. Somehow the concept of a 'vacuum reservoir' seems a strange use of language....... There's no doubt that around the world, there were some very nice looking locos, as well as some horrors. For Dave's info, the picture on the wall above me is of a Duchess............with a Castle above the fireplace. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.