I am with you John regarding apprenticeships and training my 11 year old son is geting into model engineering and he says i wish there was some were I could learn to do this propely I went to his open evening at his secondry school all they had was 1 lathe, 1 mill and 30 benches when i went to same school there was 6 lathes, 6 mills and 30 benches and also a small ali smelting furnace this has now gone but they said he doesnt do metelwork any more but combined technology this covers cooking, textiles,woodwork,and metal work including drawing so they spend a long time learning how to manufacture things approxamatly seven weeks on each subject. Steve john.burridge@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: Hi to all, We have had a couple of new apprentices this year and have sent them to Newbury college in Berkshire for initial pratical training which turns out to be a night school class which model engineers attend, I believe that for Eighteen years this class has been running i am also told that the former Technical college in Oxford runs a simalar course. Additional to the apprentices there have been a couple of chaps which are accademically trained upto either HND or even degree who wanted to do the pratical training which these days with training schools having dissapeared can now use these night school classes to catch up. I surpose that running a training school as i did back in the late 1970'S is expensive but the level of applicants coming for jobs are trained at the technical level but not at grass roots as was the case in the olden days, it didn't matter weather you were craft,technical or graduate everyone went through my training school at Land Rover which made you understand lots of information frm basic princapals. Seeing lads and these days sometime lasses start work not even being able to use a saw or a file correctly(not alone simple machine tools lathes,Mills and the simple drilling machine) but being able to design on the CAD not realy understanding how things are done causes problems and slow producting down when things need redrawing or complete redesigning. Hopefully companies still doing engineering will see sence and start to train at basic levels again to keep what engineering we have as a country at a high standard which we once had. Enough of my waffle. regards John Burridge MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.