[modeleng] Re: ALERT!! IMPORTANT!!
- From: "Ken Strauss" <ken.strauss@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:35:33 -0400
I agree with most of what you wrote except for a few minor quibbles.
The fact that the company remembered your card number doesn't =
necessarily
mean that they kept the number on their files. It is possible that it =
was
stored in a "cookie" on your own computer.
Changing credit card numbers every few months wreaks havoc if you use
automatic payment systems for items such as toll road and cell phone
charges. Also, my card supplier has given me an exact duplicate of the
original card when I reported that the magnetic stripe no longer worked.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =
[mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of R.L. Roebuck
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:30 AM
> To: mod >> "modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> Subject: [modeleng] Re: ALERT!! IMPORTANT!!
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> Hi there Patrick,
> I have to admit, I am increasingly wary of the number of companies =
which
> just hold our card details on file - including a number of the Model
> Engineering ones, and if they as rubbish at looking after card details =
as
> they are about getting order correct, then this is concerning.
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> I tend to only use my card in fairly main stream stores, and use cash =
for
> shops where the card handling might be a bit more 'micky mouse'. Sure =
the
> banks provide secure payment systems, but the organisations that =
provide
> the slot for the till operators to swipe the card down the side of the
> till for the company records - that could well be a different story.
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> I think it was TK max that made it onto the news a few months ago, =
when
> they realised their company machines had been hacked and loads of =
people
> card details had been copied.
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> As far as mail order - I have to admit then it may be old fashioned, =
but I
> still use a cheque. That way if it goes wrong, the bank is obliged to
> honour the mistake. With chip and pin, the whole point is that the =
banks
> don't have to sort it out - it's our fault for divulging the pin!
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> How long this can go on for I don't know - for example Tesco's will no
> longer accept cheque payment, and if many other shops follow suit the
> cheque may die a death.
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> The other thing I do is to change my card every few months - tell the =
bank
> it's cracked, or it keeps failing to work in the tills and they send =
you a
> new one. Only downside with this is, it would be a lot of hastle if =
one
> got lost in the non-secure post by which they send it!
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> This was how I found that one Model Engineering company had my card =
number
> on their computer, as they tried to bill an order to my card, only =
they
> seemed top have my old card number, which I'd used to order with them =
12
> months previous.
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> My other precaution is to make sure you are covered/insured for the
> incident. Make sure the bank has cancelled the card - just because =
you've
> told them the fraud has happened, that doesn't mean they automatically
> cancel the card!!! Also make sure you report it to the police. To =
stand
> any chance of getting your money back I think you need a police =
incident
> number.
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> Yours,
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> Rich.
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> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, Patrick Coppens-Marian Lynch wrote:
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> > To the Forum
> >
> > Gents
> >
> > I found out this morning, that some french plunkers have taken =
=A32000
> > pounds from my VISA account, and "winded & dined" themselves with =
it!
> > It seems, like I am going to get the money back, but it still feels =
like
> > a serious violation, let me tel you.
> > I am letting you know this, because I am sure, that a lot of you,
> > engineers, do trade with the same English and American firms
> > (booksellers-tool sellers etc) then I do.
> > So please be vigilant! Check your statements and call your banks if =
you
> > have to at the first sing of anything that's "off".
> >
> > I am rather fanatically safety conscious on matters of internet =
payment,
> > and almost all my orders are done over the phone.
> > It could be that a computer of one of the firms we all deal with is
> > hacked/cracked, it doesn't have to be you!
> >
> > The newest scam, is the following:
> > You get an email in abysmal English, asking for your details. A =
child
> > could see, that the email is bogus.
> > Some days later you get an email in "the Queens Own", warning you =
about
> > the first one and asking you to install some small bit of software, =
for
> > protection against things like the first email.
> > Anybody who does, is game and the criminals control your PC.
> > For sanity's sake beware!!
> >
> > Patrick
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