Thanks Kristen. Coot 2 was my favorite. As I said in the email, I used Nik Color Efex tonal contrast with the option to brush it on over the bird and rock which didn't enhance any contrast or details in the water. If I played around more with Topaz Adjust sliders I could probably have come up with about the identical look although I'm not sure about the eye getting lighter which I think TC did. In Topaz Adjust you can select Local Adjustments and "brush off" and go over the water area which is what I did to remove the effects. BTW, Topaz Adjust is ON SALE thru tomorrow for 30% off! "Celebrate St. Patrick's day by saving some green and taking advantage of our weekend only sale! ALL products, including the Topaz Bundle and Bundle Upgrades, are 30% off until 3/18/12. 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ReMask is NOT compatible with iPhoto, Aperture, Lightroom, Photo Impact or Irfanview. Judy Howle Southern Exposures http://southernexposure.zenfolio.com Digital Photography Class; Resources for Photographers http://digitalphotographyclass.net From: missbirdphotos-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:missbirdphotos-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kristen Eisbrenner Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 5:34 PM To: missbirdphotos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [missbirdphotos] Re: Coot images Judy, Scrolling through the pictures made it difficult to see the differences so I opened two explorer tabs, and would center one of the images in each. That way I could see the differences more easily as they pop in or out of the photo as I click on each tab. Overall, I like Coot 1 and 2 the best. I especially like the smoothness/lightness of the water on Coot 1 compared to the rest. I like that the feathers seemed smoothed down in 1 also--makes the bird look very sleek. However, Coot 2 feathers stand out more. The bird looks a little more disheveled but the greater tone/contrast in the feathers is more visually interesting. I guess the artist in me likes 1 and the photographer in me likes 2. I also like the dodged eye so that the red is brighter. Coot 2 eye is the most beautiful to me. Like you said, there is very little difference between 3 and 4, and when I compared them to 1 and 2, I was still drawn to 1 and 2. Don't know why. I wasn't distracted by the detail in the rocks because it is separate from the bird. I like Coot 2 rock best for color, tone range/contrast. In the end though, all are good edits on their own. Thanks for your comments on my edit. I had no idea if the feathers were supposed to be black or brown so I'm glad that you noticed mine was too black. Guess I will have to save up the coins for a calibrator too :) Kristen On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Judy Howle <howle@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: http://southern-exposures.net/page/coots.htm Coot 1 - In Lightroom 3 I had the following settings: exposure + 20, fill light 10, recovery 9, contrast 50, clarity 26, vibrance 25, Sharpening 35 with masking set to 20 to protect the water, noise reduction 20. In Photoshop I used a slight curves adjustment to darken the lightest feathers. I dodged the eye at 35% opacity to lighten it a little. I used hue/sat to + 14. I used Smart Sharpen at 80 amt and 1 pixel radius. Images are 1000 pixels in height to show details. (I think all images for evaluation should be at least 800 pixels high if vertical to see any details.) Coot 2 - I used Nik Color Efex 4 Tonal Contrast on the converted image before the sharpening at half of the default settings, as recommended by Arthur Morris, and slid the whites slider up a bit to protect the beak. I chose to brush on the filter just to the coot and rocks to keep the water less contrasty and detailed.(Maybe I should have left it off the rocks?) Then I applied Smart Sharpen. Coot 3 - I used Topaz Adjust and brushed off the effects on the water inside the plugin. Applied Smart Sharpen. Coot 4 - I selected the coot and rocks with the Quick Selection tool and put that on layer. Then I ran Noiseware on the background image to further remove noise, and I ran Topaz Adjust on the bird/rocks selection and then used Smart Sharpen on it and flattened the image. Not much difference from Coot 3 but the noise is a little less. I don't normally go to this extreme as the noise isn't usually too bad after raw conversion. I also have Noiseware and Topaz DeNoise but that does take some detail out of the feathers if one looks close on a larger image like these. I think I used Noiseware on the whole image of Coot 4 as the Tonal Contrast filter made it show up more. Feel free to comment on what you like or don't like or suggestions. Judy Howle Southern Exposures http://southernexposure.zenfolio.com Digital Photography Class; Resources for Photographers http://digitalphotographyclass.net