Guys remember Joe is not wanting a controller untilll the Komplete MKIII has accessibility. What he is needing is hands on review of these two boards which no one has. We do, however, have experience with using John Melas’ Software and John assures all of his tools in Windows does have accessibility in their design. Hense, making CP88 more accessible than RD88
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On Mar 30, 2024, at 9:22 AM, Jes Smith <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The native instruments MK3 doesn't have accessibility yet, so the Roland might be the better option right now.On Mar 30, 2024, at 9:12 AM, brian <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hi,
I still would recommend Roland A-88 mark II over anything else maybe except from Native Instruments S88 Mark 3.
Brian
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Now this link worksg correctlyc
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On Mar 30, 2024, at 3:59 AM, Vince Mistretta <vmistrettatech@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I found out why
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On Mar 30, 2024, at 2:13 AM, joestephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi Vince,
I get an error when I try that link.
Thanks
Joe
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Joe I found a tool that will help using the CP8&8 and cK88. John Melas has tools for both of these keyboards with accessibility inherited from previous versions of Yamaha synths. It will work in Windows only but the Total Librarian for each of the boards above can help select sounds and prformances and select on the board. It will not help get into settings if you need to change any settings though. Use on any Windows PC (Has no Mac accessibility support but will sometime in future). With NVDA you have a selection solution. I’m going to try using the MODx version shortly.
Vince
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On Mar 12, 2024, at 8:03 AM, Vince Mistretta <vmistrettatech@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Joe
The CP88 is still on the market so go to a music store which sells Yamaha keyboards and try one out. Call first to see if one is on the floor. I have a feeling this one will suit you best. If yo can get one for a better price then even better!
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On Mar 12, 2024, at 5:35 AM, joestephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Brian,
My question related to ease of use and accessibility. Are any better than others? Do some have far less menu diving? That is why I specifically asked about Yamaha cp-88/73 vs Roland rd-88 etc.
Joe
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Aren’t the A series only midi controllers? I want something I can play without connecting to a computer but want the midi option for future use.
Joe
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Hi,
Not many keyboards comes with a keypad for entering numbers these days.
But the Roland A-series has the ability to key in numbers by pressing a function key, and then press the numbers on the keys. It works ok.
I love their a-88 mark II because it has midi 2.0 capabilities and there for is supposed to be used in the future as well.
Right now I have a Komplete S88 mark III and these keys are amazing too.
But Kawai certainly also is a very good set of keys.
Brian
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One other observation. Roland’s sometimes Don’t have a way to select a particular sound or voice because you have to read the screen and navigate. Read the manual to see if it has direct selection by entering a patch number. Many older Yamahas do have buttons to select patches diretly.
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On Mar 11, 2024, at 6:56 AM, Vince Mistretta <vmistrettatech@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Any keyboard which has physical buttons can be accessible to us. There many Yamaha keyboards which has been used as you can map out the button layout. It’s when you go to touch screens that will give problems. I don’t personally have experience with either.
The controllers were mentioned because you mentioned Komplete and alternatives were provided. Komplete current version MKII is still available
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On Mar 11, 2024, at 6:04 AM, joestephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi all,
As mentioned in my original question, I’m after a fully weighted 61 or 88 key keyboard which I don’t need to have connected to the computer to play.
E.g. Roland rd-88, Yamaha cp-88/73, ck-88/73? Kawai? Which is most accessible and easy to use in terms of layering and choosing instruments blind?
Thanks
Joseph
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Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 8:02 PM
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Hi Joseph,
The Komplete Kontrol series from Native Instruments is very popular within the blind community (works with Mac and Windows).
The MK3 series is not yet accessible, as far as I know, but the app, that will make it accessible, is in the works / will come soon I expect.
(More or less the same concept as the Maschine MK3 accessibility solution).
The old MK2 model is accessible.
Though I would wait till the MK3 has its accessibility feature up and running.
The S88 is probably the thing you are looking for.
Though personally, I would not spend my money on fully weighted keys.
But go for a A61 or S49 instead.
If I want a "real piano", I have my "real piano" and stick a mic in front of it.
Cheers,
Kyungah
On 11 Mar 2024, at 07:37, joestephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi all,
I’m looking at getting a fully weighted keyboard.
I’m wondering if anyone has experience with any of the following and how easy they are to use by a totally blind user, e.g. selecting instruments, etc.
Roland rd-88, rd-300g (used),
Yamaha cp-73 or ck-73/88,
Any other which people are currently using in a similar price bracket.
One thing I noted about the Yamaha cp-88, it sounded at least from the demo that it had actual toggle switches for turning on up to four layers. That sounded to me like it was quite accessible.
My goal is recording but I’m not a midi person yet. I would like realistic pianos, nice synth pads, realistic strings and guitar sounds mainly. I’m leaning toward the Roland rd-88 because it has builtin speakers as well as connectivity to mixer etc, but also seems to have a good collection of quality sounds. I’d be interested in peoples’ opinions.
Eventually once the Kontact s88 mk3 are accessible I may get one but until then, I’d rather get a keyboard I don’t have to connect to a computer to play. Its ok to record but playing I’d like it to be able to be played independently of a computer.
Thanks for any opinions/options/advice.
Thanks
Joseph
