Just curious - how is the CK88 different from the CP88? From memory, the
CP88 is an older board, right?
-- Rich
On 4/9/2024 5:13 AM, Jes Smith (jessmith88) wrote:
Great stuff Joe.
Jes
On Apr 9, 2024, at 1:36 AM, joestephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi All,
After lots of deliberation and reading, and lots of listening to various demos trying to glean the unobvious things, I think I’ve finally settled on the Yamaha CK88. I wrote to both Yamaha and Roland and the tech support guy from Yamaha had the courtesy to call me back and talk me through the UI. While it doesn’t talk, there are enough easy to remember shortcuts to make this keyboard very accessible. I played a CP88 at my local store and while the CK88 is different in its UI and key action, some of the principles of the UI are the same. I was also able to play another keyboard with the same GHS action. It is easy to layer and split without sighted assistance and it is easy to set up effects, etc. I was extremely pleased with the lengths the Yamaha tech support guy went to in order to answer my questions and double check things. For example, he told me that the menus don’t wrap and that once in the menus, the live set buttons 1 to 8 will go directly to a menu item 1 to 8 so you don’t have to count button pushes once you know the menu structure (that is undocumented in the manual). He went through the process of saving live sets and all is doable as a totally blind person without much drama.
Also, the manual is downloadable in plain text format which was very useful.
Joe
*From:*midimag-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <midimag-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On Behalf Of *Vince Mistretta
*Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 12:42 AM
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Guys remember Joe is not wanting a controller untilll the Komplete MKIII has accessibility. What he is needing is hands on review of these two boards which no one has. We do, however, have experience with using John Melas’ Software and John assures all of his tools in Windows does have accessibility in their design. Hense, making CP88 more accessible than RD88
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On Mar 30, 2024, at 9:22 AM, Jes Smith
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The native instruments MK3 doesn't have accessibility yet, so the
Roland might be the better option right now.
On Mar 30, 2024, at 9:12 AM, brian
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
I still would recommend Roland A-88 mark II over anything
else maybe except from Native Instruments S88 Mark 3.
Brian
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<midimag-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *På vegne af *Vince Mistretta
*Sendt:* 30. marts 2024 09:26
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weighted keyboards
Now this link worksg correctlyc
John Melas CP / YC / CK Site
<http://www.jmelas.gr/stage/cp-edit.php>
jmelas.gr <http://www.jmelas.gr/stage/cp-edit.php>
jm.ico <http://www.jmelas.gr/stage/cp-edit.php>
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On Mar 30, 2024, at 3:59 AM, Vince Mistretta
<vmistrettatech@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I found out why
http://www.Melas.gr ;<http://www.Melas.gr>
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On Mar 30, 2024, at 2:13 AM,
joestephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi Vince,
I get an error when I try that link.
Thanks
Joe
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<midimag-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On Behalf Of *Vince
Mistretta
*Sent:* Saturday, March 30, 2024 12:34 PM
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*Subject:* [freelists-midimag] Re: SV: Re: opinion on
fully weighted keyboards
Joe I found a tool that will help using the CP8&8 and
cK88. John Melas has tools for both of these
keyboards with accessibility inherited from previous
versions of Yamaha synths. It will work in Windows
only but the Total Librarian for each of the boards
above can help select sounds and prformances and
select on the board. It will not help get into
settings if you need to change any settings though.
Use on any Windows PC (Has no Mac accessibility
support but will sometime in future). With NVDA you
have a selection solution. I’m going to try using the
MODx version shortly.
http://www.Melas.gk ;<http://www.Melas.gk> HTH
Vince
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On Mar 12, 2024, at 8:03 AM, Vince Mistretta
<vmistrettatech@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Joe
The CP88 is still on the market so go to a music
store which sells Yamaha keyboards and try one
out. Call first to see if one is on the floor. I
have a feeling this one will suit you best. If yo
can get one for a better price then even better!
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On Mar 12, 2024, at 5:35 AM,
joestephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Brian,
My question related to ease of use and
accessibility. Are any better than others? Do
some have far less menu diving? That is why I
specifically asked about Yamaha cp-88/73 vs
Roland rd-88 etc.
Joe
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*joestephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 12, 2024 6:15 PM
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*Subject:* [freelists-midimag] Re: SV: Re:
opinion on fully weighted keyboards
Aren’t the A series only midi controllers? I
want something I can play without connecting
to a computer but want the midi option for
future use.
Joe
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*Brian Hovmand Olesen ("brian")
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 12, 2024 5:57 PM
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*Subject:* [freelists-midimag] SV: Re:
opinion on fully weighted keyboards
Hi,
Not many keyboards comes with a keypad for
entering numbers these days.
But the Roland A-series has the ability to
key in numbers by pressing a function key,
and then press the numbers on the keys. It
works ok.
I love their a-88 mark II because it has midi
2.0 capabilities and there for is supposed to
be used in the future as well.
Right now I have a Komplete S88 mark III and
these keys are amazing too.
But Kawai certainly also is a very good set
of keys.
Brian
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*Vince Mistretta
*Sendt:* 11. marts 2024 12:04
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*Emne:* [freelists-midimag] Re: opinion on
fully weighted keyboards
One other observation. Roland’s sometimes
Don’t have a way to select a particular sound
or voice because you have to read the screen
and navigate. Read the manual to see if it
has direct selection by entering a patch
number. Many older Yamahas do have buttons to
select patches diretly.
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On Mar 11, 2024, at 6:56 AM, Vince
Mistretta <vmistrettatech@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Any keyboard which has physical buttons
can be accessible to us. There many
Yamaha keyboards which has been used as
you can map out the button layout. It’s
when you go to touch screens that will
give problems. I don’t personally have
experience with either.
The controllers were mentioned because
you mentioned Komplete and alternatives
were provided. Komplete current version
MKII is still available
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On Mar 11, 2024, at 6:04 AM,
joestephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi all,
As mentioned in my original question,
I’m after a fully weighted 61 or 88
key keyboard which I don’t need to
have connected to the computer to play.
E.g. Roland rd-88, Yamaha cp-88/73,
ck-88/73? Kawai? Which is most
accessible and easy to use in terms
of layering and choosing instruments
blind?
Thanks
Joseph
*From:*midimag-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<midimag-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On
Behalf Of *Kyungah Young
*Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2024 8:02 PM
*To:* midimag@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [freelists-midimag] Re:
opinion on fully weighted keyboards
Hi Joseph,
The Komplete Kontrol series from
Native Instruments is very popular
within the blind community (works
with Mac and Windows).
The MK3 series is not yet accessible,
as far as I know, but the app, that
will make it accessible, is in the
works / will come soon I expect.
(More or less the same concept as the
Maschine MK3 accessibility solution).
The old MK2 model is accessible.
Though I would wait till the MK3 has
its accessibility feature up and running.
The S88 is probably the thing you are
looking for.
Though personally, I would not spend
my money on fully weighted keys.
But go for a A61 or S49 instead.
If I want a "real piano", I have my
"real piano" and stick a mic in front
of it.
Cheers,
Kyungah
On 11 Mar 2024, at 07:37,
joestephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi all,
I’m looking at getting a fully
weighted keyboard.
I’m wondering if anyone has
experience with any of the
following and how easy they are
to use by a totally blind user,
e.g. selecting instruments, etc.
Roland rd-88, rd-300g (used),
Yamaha cp-73 or ck-73/88,
Any other which people are
currently using in a similar
price bracket.
One thing I noted about the
Yamaha cp-88, it sounded at least
from the demo that it had actual
toggle switches for turning on up
to four layers. That sounded to
me like it was quite accessible.
My goal is recording but I’m not
a midi person yet. I would like
realistic pianos, nice synth
pads, realistic strings and
guitar sounds mainly. I’m leaning
toward the Roland rd-88 because
it has builtin speakers as well
as connectivity to mixer etc, but
also seems to have a good
collection of quality sounds. I’d
be interested in peoples’ opinions.
Eventually once the Kontact s88
mk3 are accessible I may get one
but until then, I’d rather get a
keyboard I don’t have to connect
to a computer to play. Its ok to
record but playing I’d like it to
be able to be played
independently of a computer.
Thanks for any
opinions/options/advice.
Thanks
Joseph
