Hi David,
That's interesting what you say about the excess ability flag, except that with
the Kindle app on android, it doesn't read with talkback. It is a self voicing
app with respect to reading. So I think, if TTS is not enabled per request of
the publisher or author, the book will not read on the android platform, but
will read with voiceover. There is currently a bug with the android version 6.0
and talk back and the Kindle app, whereby you cannot do continuous reading in
Kindle. That is because talkback and the Kindle app and the TTS are not playing
nicely, and the action of self voicing is blocked. The talkback developers have
admitted as much on the eyes free list. You can still read page by page using
talk back, but not continuously with the self voicing feature.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 3, 2016, at 12:17 AM, David Chittenden <dchittenden@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The answer to your last question is:
Apple does not allow Amazon to set the accessibility flag where Android does.
In other words, Amazon can set a flag, on Android books, which blocks
TalkBack access if the publisher requests it. Apple allows all or nothing.
For the first year, Amazon chose nothing, so voiceover only read the menus in
in Kindle. This was changed two years ago and now all Kindle books are
accessible if they are not just images.
As for your problem, the recipes are primarily images around pictures. Where
you have some letters, those are text letters that were placed in the book.
When the letters are by themselves, it means they are widely spaced apart for
visual affect.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchittenden@xxxxxxxxx
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Mary Otten <motten53@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
No, I don't think that's true. There is text in there. You can hear random
letters. And if you really get lucky, at least in one particular place, it
started to spell out a whole bunch of words. But you can't read a book by
spelling out a whole bunch of words. So it is not the equivalent of a image
only PDF. I don't know what it is, but it is an excess ability problem. And
the very least they need to do is flag these things as not being VoiceOver
compatible. In all of my time buying kindle books, I have found one book
that did not read on the Kindle app with voiceover. I have found books that
did not read in the Kindle on android, but they did read for voiceover. I
have no idea why, but there you go.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Ignasi Cambra Díaz <ignasicambra@xxxxxx> wrote:
I would assume your issue is not really an accessibility problem. Most
likely the book's publisher used images instead of actually typing text on
each page. Just think of it as an inaccessible PDF document. You can find
this issue both on iBooks and Kindle e-books, even though it's very rare on
both platforms.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 3, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello all,
Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have
purchased them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck
navigating the specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there.
Neither book is readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the
ridiculous non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a list
of you, and double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get anything
intelligible. I get random letters and voiceover saying "background image"
background image" background image" ad infinitum. It has been a while
since I have purchased a cookbook. And if this is how they're all going to
be, it's going to be a lot longer before I waste anymore money on Apple's
books. Have others had similar problems? I wrote Apple accessibility. And
I suppose they're probably going to send me off to some damned link that
will have six other links that I will have to follow and eventually get
nowhere, which is what happened to me the last time they sent me on a wild
goose chase after an iTunes problem. I hope not, since this is clearly an
excess ability problem, so they ought to go to bat and number one, figure
out what causes it and fix it and also help out with refunds. But I really
am curious if others are having this problem.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone>
Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below.
//www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to
macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web
interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below.
//www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to
macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web
interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below.
//www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to
macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web
interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below.
//www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to
macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web
interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
Click on the link below to go to our homepage.
http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below.
//www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to
macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web
interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
