Good luck. You will find certain aspects of talkback on a touchscreen
frustrating beyond belief. For example web browsing. Have fun.
Mary
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On Jan 3, 2016, at 9:23 PM, David Chittenden <dchittenden@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. I have recently started learning TalkBack on a
Nexus 9. I am also learning TalkBack on an Asus Chromebook. The Chromebook
has basic touchscreen controls, but does not have more advanced touchscreen
controls.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchittenden@xxxxxxxxx
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 4 Jan 2016, at 03:48, Mary Otten <motten53@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi David,
That's interesting what you say about the excess ability flag, except that
with the Kindle app on android, it doesn't read with talkback. It is a self
voicing app with respect to reading. So I think, if TTS is not enabled per
request of the publisher or author, the book will not read on the android
platform, but will read with voiceover. There is currently a bug with the
android version 6.0 and talk back and the Kindle app, whereby you cannot do
continuous reading in Kindle. That is because talkback and the Kindle app
and the TTS are not playing nicely, and the action of self voicing is
blocked. The talkback developers have admitted as much on the eyes free
list. You can still read page by page using talk back, but not continuously
with the self voicing feature.
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On Jan 3, 2016, at 12:17 AM, David Chittenden <dchittenden@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The answer to your last question is:
Apple does not allow Amazon to set the accessibility flag where Android
does. In other words, Amazon can set a flag, on Android books, which blocks
TalkBack access if the publisher requests it. Apple allows all or nothing.
For the first year, Amazon chose nothing, so voiceover only read the menus
in in Kindle. This was changed two years ago and now all Kindle books are
accessible if they are not just images.
As for your problem, the recipes are primarily images around pictures.
Where you have some letters, those are text letters that were placed in the
book. When the letters are by themselves, it means they are widely spaced
apart for visual affect.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchittenden@xxxxxxxxx
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Mary Otten <motten53@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
No, I don't think that's true. There is text in there. You can hear random
letters. And if you really get lucky, at least in one particular place, it
started to spell out a whole bunch of words. But you can't read a book by
spelling out a whole bunch of words. So it is not the equivalent of a
image only PDF. I don't know what it is, but it is an excess ability
problem. And the very least they need to do is flag these things as not
being VoiceOver compatible. In all of my time buying kindle books, I have
found one book that did not read on the Kindle app with voiceover. I have
found books that did not read in the Kindle on android, but they did read
for voiceover. I have no idea why, but there you go.
Mary
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On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Ignasi Cambra Díaz <ignasicambra@xxxxxx>
wrote:
I would assume your issue is not really an accessibility problem. Most
likely the book's publisher used images instead of actually typing text
on each page. Just think of it as an inaccessible PDF document. You can
find this issue both on iBooks and Kindle e-books, even though it's very
rare on both platforms.
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On Jan 3, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello all,
Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have
purchased them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck
navigating the specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there.
Neither book is readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the
ridiculous non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a
list of you, and double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get
anything intelligible. I get random letters and voiceover saying
"background image" background image" background image" ad infinitum. It
has been a while since I have purchased a cookbook. And if this is how
they're all going to be, it's going to be a lot longer before I waste
anymore money on Apple's books. Have others had similar problems? I
wrote Apple accessibility. And I suppose they're probably going to send
me off to some damned link that will have six other links that I will
have to follow and eventually get nowhere, which is what happened to me
the last time they sent me on a wild goose chase after an iTunes
problem. I hope not, since this is clearly an excess ability problem, so
they ought to go to bat and number one, figure out what causes it and
fix it and also help out with refunds. But I really am curious if others
are having this problem.
Mary
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