[macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: historic change in accessibility
- From: "Steven D. Hurd" <steven.hurd@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:04:16 +1000
Hi,
Ijust invested in a mac book pro this morning and an iphone, I havn't fired
up the macbook yet, but will studdy
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[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2009 4:28 AM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: historic change in accessibility
Hello,the manuals on the accessability site and get into action. This is a
truelley historic time and I am glad to be on board.
This is also mainstream technology. This means that all Apple computers will
be accessible. While they are already accessible using Leopard and
previously Tiger, Snow leopard no doubt, will be making huge strides into
the future for all of us.
Not to mention the new accessible iPhone 3GS.
Hats off to Apple.
Perhaps other mainstream manufacturers might start working in this venue as
well. I sure hope so.
Dan
On Jun 26, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Marco M wrote:
I read this info to about snow leopard and the gesture features on the mouse
track. This is definitely a clinture for me. I'll be buying a mac book pro
with snow leopard installed. This new way of doing things is as
revolutionary today as JAWS was back in 1987 when they introduced the num
pad navigation which in its day was a brilliant way of navigating the
screen. But now with the people at apple, they have taken this concept to
the mouse track which will be great because it will mean less key strokes to
learn. It has always been a struggle for me to learn all those key strokes
that I needed in order to read a web page. Now I want a mac so that I can
use the mouse track which will reduce the amount of key strokes that I need
to know in order to use a computer.
Marco
Canada
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[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: June 26, 2009 1:45 AM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: historic change in accessibility
Hello,
This is directly from
http://www.apple.com/macosx/accessibility/
Now the trackpad is the screen.
VoiceOver in Mac OS X Snow Leopard offers a breakthrough new capability: You
can control your computer using gestures on a Multi-Touch trackpad even if
you can't see the screen. The trackpad surface on your Mac notebook
represents the active window on your computer, so you can touch to hear the
item under your finger, drag to hear items continuously as you move your
finger, and flick with one finger to move to the next or previous item.
You'll hear how items are arranged on the screen, and you can jump directly
to an item just by touching the corresponding location on the trackpad. For
example, you can drag your finger around the trackpad to learn how items are
arranged in a web page, a spreadsheet, a presentation, or any document with
text. The more you touch, the more information you gather.
They probably posted this after you visited the site, unless I am completely
misreading what they are saying. It looks to me, however, that they are
incorperating relational facets of VO on the IPhone 3GS.
This is supported further along on the page when they say:
<image001.jpg>
The rotor.
Instead of forcing you to memorize keyboard shortcuts to navigate around the
screen, VoiceOver offers a unique virtual control called a rotor. When you
turn it - by rotating two fingers on the trackpad as if you were turning a
dial - VoiceOver moves through text based on a setting you choose. For
example, after setting the rotor to "Word" or "Character," each time you
flick, VoiceOver moves through the text one word at a time or one character
at a time - perfect when you're proofreading or editing text.
You can also use the rotor to navigate web pages. When you're on a web page,
the rotor contains the names of common items, such as headers, links,
tables, images, and more. You select a setting, then flick up or down to
move to the previous or next occurrence of that item on the page, skipping
over items in between.
David Chittenden, MS, CRC, MRCAA
David Poehlman wrote:
this not exactly correct. the touchpad is still a touchpad and controlls
what happens on the screen if they do what they say they are going to do in
their release which I published here not long after it was posted on the
site.
On Jun 25, 2009, at 5:51 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
And, according to Apple's accessibility website, Snow Leopard will
incorporate this same technology in to the new OS. the touch pad will become
the screen, and where you touch will relate to the visual screen for the
same relational referencing. And, flicks and other gestures will work as
well.
I will be purchasing a mac book Pro as soon as I have set aside the
appropriate funds later this year.
Apple is really raising the bar here. Oh, and the same web page also
illustrates that they have been paying attention to many of the negative
reviews from places like the NFB. It really is a good read.
David Chittenden, MS, CRC, MRCAA
Cheryl Homiak wrote:
It really is historic!!! Do you realize that you can now have an intelligent
conversation with a sighted person about orientation on a device, meaning
that when they say something is in the bottom right corner of your screen
that's actually probably where it is?!!! Just recently I was talking to a
tech support person about something on my computer and she kept telling me
to look at various places on the screen and I had to tell her that location
on the screen was really no help to me. But with the iPhone it is!!! Do you
also realize that you can read the manual and make sense of much of it
without having to translate from mouse-ese to keyboard-ese? I do realize
there are some differences of gestures with vo off and on but still, there's
much less translation needed. Just being able to locate something on the
screen and do an appropriate tap sequence to open and use it, and then get
back to Home with a press of a button, seems so much more intuitive to me
than going through a bunch of menus. I can't really explain it and maybe
it's totally psychological on my part, but it gives me such a feeling of
otientation to feel that I know where something is on the screen instead of
just maneuvering through menus or doing a keyboard sequence and having what
I want appear without any context. Of course I know menus and shortcuts are
still useful and appropriate; I'm just saying that using the iPhone gives me
a whole new sense of perspective and integration and orientation.
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