[mac4theblind] Re: Blindness and off topic job related question
- From: John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 19:02:06 -0500
OK guys. I think we've run our course here. This is getting to be a
discussion that is going into the realm of employment rights and far from Apple
products. I will say that I find this topic and the discussion interesting,
but it's best not to keep it on list.
Thanks
Take Care
John D. Panarese
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On Dec 6, 2012, at 6:55 PM, "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Holly crap now look what you started Scott...do you think you can now get it
> to stop???
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lauren Simmons
>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 15:50
>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Blindness and off topic job related
>> question
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Well, you have insinuated you've been responsible for hiring others,
>> why do you then need to consult this list? Shouldn't you have answers
>> for all your questions? Go ahead and rent a new apartment, change your
>> billing and home address, etc, and when it comes to showing up for
>> work in another state you'll see if your gamble pays off. This is not
>> an either or situation, this is a situation that calls for common
>> sense and practical decision making as well as full disclosure as I've
>> suggested. Either way give it a shot and whether they decide to hire
>> you or not, it will be a life experience from which you can learn from
>> as a chance is better than no chance at all. On the question of manual
>> work, please don't be silly. Can a blind person work in a factory with
>> heavy machinery? Can a blind person work with power tools around many
>> others at a work site? Can a blind person work in a situation where
>> they are exposed to automobile and pedestrian traffic? The answer is
>> "Yes" if the blind person/business owner is willing to take on the
>> legal ramifications, but why should any other business owner do so
>> just because they want to feel as they are "opening doors" to the
>> blind? Lawsuits and on the job injuries cost money and redirect value
>> time and effort, so anyone with half a brain would come up with a
>> legal reason why not to hire a person with a disability that could
>> present potential dangers on the worksite. Of course there are
>> exceptions, but I'm answering your direct question regarding manual
>> work.
>>
>> LS
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/12, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I'm really not sure what to say to this. I sincerely hope you're not
>>> responsible for hiring anywhere.
>>>
>>> What makes you think a blind person is incapable of manual work?
>>>
>>> The film analogy just doesn't make sense. I've actually worked
>> in film, I
>>> did the audio engineering on a film called Uncle Paddy's wake as well
>> as a
>>> few musial recordings. A deaf person could as easily sync a film to
>> audio
>>> as a blind person could do it. Everything is done with time code and
>> it's
>>> all about + or - frames. SMPTE is your friend.
>>> I'm the opposite of you, if a someone came to me and was
>> interviewing,
>>> especially in a phone screen and made it a point to tell me they were
>> blind
>>> out of the gate I might think they were looking for an easier set of
>>> standards to be held up to. To each his / her own I guess but I
>> think we're
>>> on different sides of this argument.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Lauren Simmons
>> <simmonslauren75@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do to unforeseen worksite and safety issues that might arise from
>>>> having a blind person on site, you have a duty to full disclosure
>> when
>>>> it comes to a position such as this one.
>>>>
>>>> The job description may not state directly that you will be asked to
>>>> do manual work, but at times the position will call for such
>>>> abilities. The employer probably has not even slightly considered
>> that
>>>> a blind person would apply for such a job, so when you show up they
>>>> may ultimately feel that you lead them on and should have disclosed
>> to
>>>> them something as important as total blindness. If I were a film
>>>> director, and if I was hiring someone to do some film editing, and
>> if
>>>> I received a resume from someone who appeared very qualified, and if
>>>> the person who showed up was a deaf person, all qualifications
>> aside,
>>>> I would be pretty upset at the lack of disclosure. Though the person
>>>> maybe editing film, they still have to insure that the audio track
>> is
>>>> in synchrony with the film. You will end up wasting valuable time
>> for
>>>> lots of people with this stunt. I know this chapter of your life
>> makes
>>>> good story telling, but if one wants to be considered a professional
>>>> one should behave as such.
>>>>
>>>> LS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/6/12, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> I apologize in advance, this is tech / job related but not
>> specifically
>>>>> Apple so if this doesn't interest you delete and move on.
>>>>>
>>>>> My usual list for tech professional and blindness questions is
>> gone but
>>>>> it
>>>>> seems like there are a lot of folks in the work place here so I
>> would
>>>>> like
>>>>> some input and maybe off list is best so we don't offend the
>> moderators
>>>>> or
>>>>> other readers by straying from the topic. I posted this question
>> on the
>>>>> blind sysadmins list but I could use input from a wider audience.
>> If
>>>>> someone knows of a better list feel free to forward this question
>> and or
>>>>> give me the pointer to the list to join myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a nutshell the background is this. I have a 20 year + work
>> history
>>>>> as a
>>>>> network engineer. I am presently employed but shopping around for
>> a new
>>>>> gig
>>>>> and I've gotten some fantastic feedback so far. One of these
>> possible
>>>>> positions is working as a Juniper Resident Engineer. This job
>> entails
>>>>> working on site for over a year with a municipal government
>> customer. I
>>>>> would be the lead architect and provide the Juniper background in a
>> long
>>>>> term migration from another vendor's platform to a Juniper
>> switching
>>>>> environment. I have gone through extensive technical screening and
>>>>> interviewing and am the primary candidate. The issue is, my
>> interviews
>>>>> have
>>>>> been done exclusively over the phone and online. There may be a
>> face to
>>>>> face meeting with the end client which would solve the problem but
>> there
>>>>> might not be. I very well could get an offer letter and start date
>> with
>>>>> out
>>>>> meeting anyone in person.
>>>>> Question, should I inform them of my disability ahead of time?
>> On one
>>>>> hand
>>>>> I think I should because people are shocked and really unstable
>> when a
>>>>> blind
>>>>> person walks in for an interview let alone shows up day 1 for a
>> highly
>>>>> skilled job. On the other hand, I figure why should they know /
>> care.
>>>>> I
>>>>> have the history, I passed the tests and I know I can deliver the
>> goods
>>>>> with
>>>>> out question. Part of me says why do I need to tell anyone. You
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> tell an employer if you had a disability that wasn't visible / job
>>>>> impacting
>>>>> why should this be different. I'm very torn and relocation is a
>> part of
>>>>> this so I need to get it right the first time. Anyone in this
>> position
>>>>> before, especially if you've been a consultant who could offer me
>> advice
>>>>> would be much appreciated. What would you all do? If this is to
>> off
>>>>> topic
>>>>> then the moderator can speak up and I'm more than happy to kill the
>>>>> thread.
>>>>> Any pointers would be most appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
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