The untestable proposition of the day, indeed any day, is surely that whatever proposition we make as to the line demarcating what is testable from what is not testable is itself untestable in the sense of whatever demarcation is proposed. Donal Plymouth Not about to set sail so relax over there already Yeh and my brain hurts a lot because it is full of time x time ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html