Anyone who has ever played a snare drum in a marching band knows that there is another, echoic meaning for 'tarradiddle.' Often a tarradiddle is followed by a flam (or vice versa). Robert Paul Mutton College Department of Music and Heraldry ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html