Paul Stone wrote: "You call my question 'nonsense'? That's rather insulting." If you are going to get your knickers in a knot, at least get it right. What I said was that your question was nonsensical. And it is. You are asking for a logical relation to an existential state. But I suspect the point of all this handwaving is not understanding but venting, so carry on. Sincerely, Phil Enns Toronto, ON ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html