Yes, it is of value to him, so why bust my balls with this junk? -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 22 November 2014 23:29 To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Very Highly Griceian In a message dated 11/22/2014 3:32:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes: "The reality is that there is a vast swathe of English speakers outside of Oxbridge who would not bat an eye nor have a problem understanding sentences [containing 'highly wicked' and 'highly depressed'] Just to clarify a few points. >speakers outside Oxbridge. I'm not so sure I want Cambridge included. One good thing of Grice's Oxonian type of ordinary language philosophy is that it could never have a counterpart on the other stone-wall varsity on the Cam. But even within Oxford, surely the formulation of the thesis by Grice and by Warnock differ. I happen to prefer Grice's formulation. He refers to: "an effort to explain why sometimes the word 'very' allows, with little or no change of meaning the substitution of the word 'highly' (as in 'very unusual') and sometimes does not (as in 'very depressed' or 'very wicked'). Warnock's formulation is in terms of a question: "Why can one be highly intelligent or highly interesting, but not highly stupid or highly dull?" Note that in Grice's formulation there is a reference to 'a change of meaning'. This can be 'small' or not small, i.e. what I propose to call 'huge'. In Warnock's formulation, there is a reference to a _modality_: what one can and what one cannot. Warnock's formulation is stronger. Back to Grice: "an effort to explain why sometimes the word 'very' allows, with little or no change of meaning the substitution of the word 'highly' (as in 'very unusual') and sometimes does not (as in 'very depressed' or 'very wicked'). Commentary: Grice gives this as a fact. So the effort is to explain the fact. Not to question the fact. The fact is that i. Sometimes (as in the case of 'unusual'), there is a little change of meaning (utterer's meaning or implicature, surely) between the following: ------------------ That's very unusual of her. ------------------ That's highly unusual of her. There is no need to introduce E(+) and E(-) at this point, since 'unusual' is neutral (cfr. 'highly sacrilegious' vs. 'lowly sacrilegious'). The second part of Grice's thesis is the negation of (i). ii. Sometimes (as in the case of 'depressed' and 'wicked') there is a HUGE change of meaning (or implicature) between ----------------- He is very depressed. ----------------- He is highly depressed and ----------------- That's very wicked. ----------------- That's highly wicked. So to go back to McEvoy:: "there is a vast swathe of English speakers outside of Oxbridge who would not bat an eye nor have a problem understanding sentences [containing 'highly wicked' and 'highly depressed']" Grice would possibly say that as long as Grice does bat an eye (usually the left) there's room for a highly peculiar form of Oxonian analysis. Grice (WoW -- Way of Words): "Even if my assumption of what goes for me goes for others is mistaken, it does not matter; my philosophical puzzles have arisen in connection with my use of an expression and my conceptual analysis will be of value TO ME, and to any others who may find that their use of the expression coincides with mine. It may also be of value to those whose use of the expresssion is *different*, though different only in minor respects, from mine; but if this is not so, then we have a different use of the expression, to be dealt with separately, to be subjected to separate conceptual analysis. This we can do if the need arises (since cooperation in conceptual analysis does not demand identity as regards the uses of the analyzed expressions; I can, with you, attempt the conceptual analysis of your use of an expression, even if your use is different from mine)." Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html<http://www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html>