[lit-ideas] Turkeys; was Chomsky
- From: Andy <mimi.erva@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 05:29:58 -0800 (PST)
While we're on the subject of giving at the office, did you know that the
turkey and other food that gets thrown out (i.e. not eaten) equates to
something like 93 million tons of methane into the atmosphere (methane is a
product of decomposition). That's a result of all the petrochemicals that go
into raising, packaging and transporting the food, and of course decomposing
the food. Methane is 20 times more powerful than carbon dioxide in trapping
heat, although it is shorter lived, decades I believe instead of centuries as
with CO2. CO2 is the one that's followed, although the CO2 is melting the
permafrost in the Arctic and the methane trapped in the melting vegetation is
now being released. BTW, Chomsky sees climate change as a freight train coming
in our direction. I posted the Chomsky link (found it quite by accident
looking for something else) because socialism on this list is pointed out as
having failed because it didn't work in the
SU. I argued for years it was never tried, as capitalism here was never
tried. One wonders if climate change will erase differences or make the isms
all the more potent. Probably the latter.
Eating turkeys is a product of innocence, or ignorance, in the first place. If
people knew what was going on, I can't imagine anybody would eat them. But
then, I've been wrong before. The food conglomerates maintain a reporting
blackout on their food factories. I love walking into a supermarket and seeing
the corner of one aisle that's marked 'natural'. By definition everything else
is unnatural, which in fact it is. The same box in 13 different colors.
Edible food-like substances Michael Pollan calls them.
Andy
From:Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:58 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Chomsky
Andy wrote
Chomsky is brilliant, even on Harvest Festival Day. Here's a talk by him from
1989, which puts into perspective socialism and the Soviet Union, and why the
two are mutually exclusive. He mentions Germany as the most advanced
capitalist country of Lenin's time but doesn't mention what Germany became in
the 30's. Given that history doesn't repeat itself but does rhyme, this talk
against the backdrop of the Occupy movement has a certain eerieness to it in my
opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQsceZ9skQI&feature=relmfu
Thanks, but I gave at the office.
Robert Paul
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