In a message dated 4/23/2009 11:20:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rpaul@xxxxxxxx writes: They know all about these things and we're mere dunces when it comes to extracting 'information. --- Bravo. I'm not sure 'extracting' is the right thing to do with 'information'. Exstill, perhaps, cfr. 'instil'. I wonder if there are written records (in the Loeb Classical Library) of conversation under torture. I know there are in the James Bond films, where 007 is fancifully tortured. For the objection of torture posed by Urmson to Grice's model vide Grice WOW, v (originally the PR 'Utterer's meaning and intentions' article -- "Objections to the Sufficiency of the Analysis -- Urmson"). Cheers, JLS **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html