In a message dated 2/9/2015 5:56:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes in "The worlds of Sir Karl Popper": "afaik, Popper revised his OSE approach to rationalism in the light of William Bartley's criticism. This revision occurred in the 1960s. The nub of Bartley's elaborate criticism is that it does not matter so much whether adopting a rational attitude is a product of a rational or non-rational process or 'commitment', or even an irrational 'commitment': what matters is that adopting a rational attitude (or the rational attitude so adopted) can be defended on rational grounds - rather than merely on non-rational or irrational ones. A most important point is that this defence does not depend on justifying 'rationalism', in the traditional way of philosophy, but it is sufficient if 'rationalism' itself withstands rational criticism. If rationalism can be so defended, then it is "comprehensive" in that it owes no debt to non-rationalism or irrationalism in terms of its defence. In some ways Bartley's pov is implicit in Popper's early work where that early work accounts for the rationality of science not in terms of the 'rational production' of scientific theories (in contrast to inductive accounts which pretend to do so) but in the application of a rational/critical methods to testing theories (irrespective of whether their production is, or is not, part of a 'rational' process).In this light, Popper's position in OSE might seem surprising - as it might seem to fail to keep apart the issues of the production of a 'rational attitude' and issues of whether a 'rational attitude' is itself rationally defensible (paralleling the distinction between issues as to whether the production of scientific theories is 'rational' and issues as to whether such theories are rationally defensible). ... So whether the OSE is "early" or not, in Popper's "mature" philosophy Bartley's criticism is acknowledged and there is no needless concession that there is a priority of irrationalism or non-rationalism in terms of the defence of rationalism." One of the fascinating things about W. W. Bartley, III's The retreat to commitment, is that it diverges slightly with his dissertation under Popper on the bounds of reason. Bartley had been previously educated under White and Quine at Harvard and, unlike H. P. G., he attended not Oxford, but Cambridge: Gonville and Caius (*) to be more specific. Another fascinating thing about "The retreat to commitment" is that for the second edition, W. W. Bartley, a good Protestant, protested against his critics, and, to their satisfaction, added six appendices. The one point raised by McEvoy above I believe W. W. Bartley, III, addresses in connection with Bartley's detailed critique of Post, who had specialised in liar paradoxes. Some excerpts in ps. Cheers, Speranza ***** (*) Geary played inferentially with Gonville and Caius. Bartley attended Gonville and Caius Therefore, Bartley attended Gonville. ("But this is anti-Cantabrigensis." (**)) ---- W. W. Bartley, III, writes: "Post [who also studied under Quine] contends that my position — that all positions, including my own, are open to criticism — produces semantical paradox, and generates an uncriticizable statement." "What is involved is not an antinomy but what Post, following Quine, calls a "veridical paradox" -- Geary prefers "horizontal". "Post's "uncriticizable" statement is, after all, criticizable." "Post concentrates on one particular element of my discussion to which I myself happened to give some importance — namely, the claim that "Everything is open to criticism"". Cfr. "What if everything is a mispresumption?" Geary, "Confessions [Kindle Edition]." "The argument revolves around my contention, set forth in this book, that all positions are open to criticism — including the position that all positions are open to criticism." Take the following two claims: A: All positions are open to criticism. B: A is open to criticism. Bartley: "Since B is implied by A, any criticism of B will constitute a criticism of A, and thus show that A is open to criticism." "Assuming that a criticism of B argues that B is *false*, we may argue: if B is false, A is false." "But an argument showing A to be false (and thus criticizing it) shows B to be true." "Thus, if B is false, B is true." "Any attempt to criticize B demonstrates B." "Thus B is uncriticizable, and A is false. And hence, so Post would contend, my position is refuted." But Bartley goes on: it ain't. "Even if someone did make an article of faith or dogma out of (B), there is virtually nothing he could do with it." "B has insufficient content to be used to justify other claims." "Post claims that pancritical rationalism rests on this principle." A: Every rational, noninferential statement is criticizable and has survived criticism. From A, there immediately follows, as Post argues: B: Every rational noninferential statement is criticizable. All this can be formalised. Post suggests that "T5X" stand for "S is a potential criticizer of X." Thus X will be criticizable just in case {3S)PSX. 'RX' stands for 'X is rational and non-inferential in the present problem- context K'. Thus B becomes: (X) (RX -^ {3S)PSX). Since B itself is supposed to be criticizable, there follows: C. {3S)PSB. To elicit a paradox from these, Post needs 2 additional premises: 1. (S) {PSC -^ PSB) 2. (S) {PSB -^ -PSC). "Post introduces 1 & 2 as if they were just two additional premises, and neglects to mention the quite extraordinary role they play." "For these premises, taken together, prove that PSC -^ —PSC; or — C ^ C." "And thus C is always proved, no matter what A, B, and C may happen to be." "Thus the two premises are themselves a recipe for paradox." "The first premise means that every potential criticizer of C is a potential criticizer of B." "The second premise, on the other hand, means that no potential criticizer of B is a potential criticizer of C." "If a statement S were specified which, if accepted, would count as a criticism of B, then that would also show the truth of C, and thus could not count against C." "That is, any criticism of the statement that B is criticizable would be a criticism of B; and any criticism of B would provide an example of, and hence confirm, the criticizability of B — i.e., C, the statement that B is criticizable." But from premises (1) and (2) together, there follows: (3) -{3S)PSC. That is, C is allegedly NOT criticizable. "If we assume that C is rational and noninferential, however, it follows that B is false." "And thus — so Post argues — pancritical rationalism is refuted." "The claim that all rational statements can be criticized is incorrect, for the claim that this claim can be criticized itself cannot be criticized." "Post goes on to argue that C, although uncriticizable, is demonstrably true; that B, which is criticizable, is self-referentially consistent but invalid." "Post adds that any given statement X is a rational statement if and only if a rational man is entitled to accept it — that is, if and only if X is "rationally acceptable"". Hence A could presumably be rewritten: A1 : Every noninferential statement that a rational man is entitled to accept is criticizable and has survived criticism. Presumably A could also be rewritten, as Post interprets it, as follows: Az. Every rationally acceptable noninferential statement is criticizable and has survived criticism. and that A, which is also criticizable, is invalid and self-referentially inconsistent. B could be restored to validity, and A to self-referential consistency, only by withdrawing the claim that C is rational. "But in that case A would be incomplete, contrary to the comprehensive aims and claims of pancritical rationalism." "This leads Post to his "Goedelian theorem" that all reason theories in a certain class that includes my own (and also Popper's)^'' are either self-referentially inconsistent or inherently incomplete." "Post demands that any criticizable statement must meet certain other requirements. Post has wishes to construe criticizability not as semantic but only as "partly semantic"" Take Post's statement A: A. Every rational, noninferential statement is criticizable and has survived criticism. "Post means this as a report of my remark that a position may be held rationally without needing justification — provided that it can be and is held open to criticism and survives severe examination." That is, A': Every position which is held open to criticism and survives severe examination may be held rationally "And there is no need to go into the question of its justification." "A and A' are, however, very different." "Even if we allow my position to be interpreted by his statement, Post's A reverses and crucially alters A'." "Post's B does not follow from my A'" "Nor does a reversed version of B follow from A'". "Thus someone who holds A' need not hold B'." B': Every criticizable statement is rational and noninferential. "Nor does Post's C follow from my A'" "Thus Post's alleged paradox, as originally constructed, does not capture pancritical rationalism." Post's reformulated the first premise, Al, to read as follows: Al. Consider a person P, a context K, a time t, and an attitude, belief, or position X (expressible or not) which is problematic (or up for possible revision) for P in K at t. Then P holds X rationally in K at ? only if: P holds X open to criticism at ^, and (so far as P can then tell or guess) X has at t so far survived criticism. From Al there follows Bl: Bl: P holds X rationally at t only if P holds X open to criticism at t. We then also obtain CI : CI. There is a (potential) criticism of Bl, which might someday be produced and be seen to be successful. "Go through a similar line of argument as before and his alleged refutation of my claim is restored." "Post's line of argumentation, however, seems to rest on (or at any rate to stem from) the assumption (so far unexamined) that for a statement to be criticizable is for it to be possibly false. If I were to accept this assumption, I would be forced to maintain that all positions are possibly false." "But this position — that all positions are possibly false — is, so it seems to me, obviously false." ------- W. W. Bartley, III, attended Gonville and Caius, Cambridge. Gonville and Caius are often referred to simply as "Caius" which displeases the descendants of Gonville There's a long association of Gonville and Caius with first-rate teaching, especially due to John Caius, who gave the college the caduceus in its insignia. The foundation of Gonville and Caius, as the name implicates, was founded by Gonville. When Gonville died, he left, alas, no money. In 1557 it was decided that Gonville could be refounded, by Royal Charter. The name "Gonville and Caius" was proposed, unoriginally, by John Caius himself. Caius was master of Gonville and Caius from sometime in 1559 until shortly before his death in 1573. Unlike Gonville, Caius provided Gonville and Caius with significant funds. On top of that, during his time as Master, Caius accepted no payment. He insisted, however, on several unusual rules. Caius insisted that Gonville and Caius admit no scholar who “is deformed, dumb, blind, lame, maimed, mutilated, or suffering from any grave illness, or an invalid, that is sick in a serious measure”. Caius also built a three-sided court, Caius Court, “lest the air from being confined within a narrow space should become foul”. Caius did, however, refound Gonville and Caius as a strong centre for study. On the re-foundation by Dr Caius, the college was expanded and updated. In 1565 the building of Caius Court began, and Caius planted an avenue of trees in what is now known, unoriginally, as the Tree Court. He was also responsible for the building of the college's three gates, symbolising the path of academic life. On matriculation, one arrives at the Gate of Humility (near the Porters' Lodge). In the centre of the college one passes through the Gate of Virtue regularly. And finally, graduating students pass through the Gate of Honour on their way to the neighbouring Senate House to receive their degrees. The Gate of Honour, at the south side of Caius Court, though the most direct way from the Old Courts to the College Library (Cockerell Building), is only used for special occasions such as graduation. The students of Gonville and Caius commonly refer, apparently with a jocular intent, to the fourth gate in the college, between Tree Court and Gonville Court, which also gives access to some lavatories, as "The Gate of Necessity". Caius also has one of the largest libraries in Oxbridge, the Cockerell Building. It is cited as 'the hottest library in Cambridgeshire.' Gonville and Caius is one of the most traditional places in Cambridge. Gonville and Caius is one of the few places that still seek to insist that its members attend communal dinners, known as "Hall". Consisting of a three-course meal, Hall takes place in two sittings, with the second known as "Formal Hall", which must be attended wearing gowns. At Formal Hall, the students rise as the fellows proceed in, a gong is rung, and a Latin grace or benediction is read. The boat club is not called the Gonville and Caius Boat Club but simply the Caius Boat Club. It is particularly strong, with the men's 1st VIII remaining unbeaten in a number of seasons. And so on. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html