Thank you, Mike. I tried to find the poem myself, but with no success (I must get a new Collected Auden). Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Geary To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 3:58 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Ostnia/Westland Room Many thanks to JL for his attempts to identify my Auden poem: thanks, but no cigar. I found it just a moment ago though I've looked for 2 or 3 years at least. It is section XV of "Sonnets From China". My memory had mutated it a bit: XV As evening fell the day's oppression lifted; Tall peaks came into focus; it had rained: Across wide lawns and cultured flowers drifted The conversation of the highly trained. Their gardeners watched them pass and priced their shoes; A chauffeur waited, reading in the drive, For them to finish their exchange of views; It looked a picture of the way to live. Far off, no matter what good they intended, Two armies waited for a verbal error With well-made implements for causing pain, And on the issue of their charm depended A land laid waste with all its young men slain, Its women weeping, and its towns in terror. W. H. Auden (1938) *********** Every time I listen to our "leaders" talking about war, I'm reminded of this poem -- and though I scrabbled and scumbled the imagery badly, still the meaning and sentiment is there. I shan't elaborate, if it doesn't kick you in the gut, nothing I can say will.