[lit-ideas] Re: The Marine Corps and the SAS
- From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:11:09 +0100 (BST)
Lawrence, if you find talking to civilians about
fighting and war a waste to time, I suggest you
desist.
Judy Evans, Cardiff
--- Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Judy,
>
>
>
> Your comments are so short and cryptic I can never
> be quite sure what you
> have in mind or mean; so I'll just say this:
> members of the elite fighting
> forces of the world are largely the same. They have
> similar training and
> they think in the same patterns about war and
> fighting. There are
> exceptions, but what I have said is by and large
> true - true in regard to
> most of the members of these forces.
>
>
>
> Also, what I said was that in boot camp we were told
> that civilians had no
> idea of what it was to be a Marine. They had a lot
> of dumb ideas of what
> that meant and what it meant to fight a war. We
> were instructed not to pay
> any attention to them. But that was boot camp.
> Later on we went into the
> world and dealt with civilians. Did we sit down to
> tea with maiden aunts
> and brandish knives and guns? Of course not. Were
> we uncouth in social
> settings. Not at all.
>
>
>
> Am I convinced that your having met a few SAS
> members gives you insight into
> their nature as fighting men? Or that John
> McCreery's having a son-in-law
> does that for him? No. I don't think either of you
> can understand these men
> from that sort of exposure.
>
>
>
> If you want a better understanding of what being in
> the SAS is all about
> then read Andy McNab's autobiographical Immediate
> Action.
>
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/055214276X/qid=1147193390/sr=1-10/ref=sr_1_
> 10/103-0690183-3594264?s=books
>
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/055214276X/qid=1147193390/sr=1-10/ref=sr_1
> _10/103-0690183-3594264?s=books&v=glance&n=283155/>
> &v=glance&n=283155/
> This book was described as disclosing for the first
> time what being in the
> SAS was like. They were, and still are, a
> semi-secret fighting
> organization. Their name was originally intended to
> hide what they did.
> They weren't supposed to talk about what they did.
> Andy McNab was
> considered by some to have crossed the line with his
> book. He describes
> things he wasn't supposed to describe. If you were
> in the SAS you weren't
> supposed to talk about what you did. That is still
> the case. Thus, for
> someone to say they met some SAS soldiers and
> learned what they were all
> about doesn't seem convincing to me.
>
>
>
> In the Marines we were told it would be a waste of
> time to about what it meant to be a
> Marine. talk to civilians
> about fighting and warIn the SAS they
> were simply told don't talk about it.
>
>
>
> Lawrence
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Judith Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:10 AM
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Pacifistic expeditions in
> the Garden
>
>
>
> I said
>
>
>
> I
>
> > have met
>
> > ex-SAS officers (ex- because SAS service is
> short-term)
>
> > and they are not like that.
>
>
>
> and refuse to bow to your reading-McNab knowledge.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:52 PM
>
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Pacifistic expeditions in
> the Garden
>
>
>
>
>
> > Read the bio of Andy McNab. They're exactly like
> that.
>
> >
>
> > Lawrence
>
> >
>
>
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