[lit-ideas] Re: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
- From: "Julie Krueger" <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:44:53 -0500
Iraq has indeed told Blackwater to get out.
The WH has said it has no plans to recall Blackwater.
It's not exactly a done deal. It's more like a whole 'nother mare's nest.
Julie Krueger
On 9/17/07, John Wager <john.wager1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Andreas Ramos wrote:
>
> > . .So .I don't see an "organized, planned, and carried-out
> > withdrawal." It's going to be a rout, with mobs chasing tens of
> > thousands of Americans. That will be televised worldwide.
>
> While I share your general low opinion of the idiot currently in the
> White House, I'm not sure that this will happen. Over the last year the
> Iraqis have been very busy. They've been "cleansing" themselves into
> three large areas, ready to divide the country up. There are still
> large numbers of shi'a and sunni in Baghdad that are close to each
> other, but in the rest of the country there's been deep and widespread
> ethnic cleansing. The lower death numbers partly reflect this; there
> are fewer of the "other" guys close at hand to kill.
>
> > Several articles pointed out that the US military, the most advanced
> > military in the world, was defeated in Iraq by a unorganized
> > insurrection using little more than home-made bombs. There is no
> > "Iraqi Freedom Front" or "Iraqi Liberation Army". It's like every
> > Iraqi is taking pot shots at the USA.
>
> They don't want us to go, quite yet. But once Baghdad has been divided
> up into separate ethnic regions, nobody will want us to stay. They've
> been using us to protect themselves against the government's attempt to
> "unify" the country; when the groups don't need us to protect them from
> the central government, they will all want us to get out.
>
> > These two things, the military defeat of the US and the rout, will be
> > catastrophic to the US, both emotionally and politically. The USA will
> > no longer be able to threaten countries nor be able to promise to
> > protect its allies.
>
> I'm not sure about this. I agree that the whole Iraq fiasco is a
> security and foreign policy disaster that will take a very long time to
> recover from. But I'm hopeful that the Iraqis will see that once they
> have divided things up, there's not as much reason to fight each other.
> I'm afraid the U.S. government still thinks about "revenge killings" as
> behind much of the violence. It's much more deliberate than that; the
> violence has been dividing the country into thirds under our very noses,
> and we haven't noticed. Once everybody has gotten their piece, I think
> they will all be pretty sick of killing and dying, so perhaps--just
> PERHAPS-- the violence won't be as bad as it could be when we leave.
>
> > Lawrence, it's your neocons who did this to the USA. Your neocons made
> > extremely stupid decisions and destroyed the USA. None of these people
> > accept responsibility. They blame others.
>
> I don't expect most people in Bush's entourage to think, but I DO expect
> many senators and members of the house to do a LOT better job of
> questioning and opposing a president who wants to go to war. It was
> congress's failure as much as it was Bush's; congress didn't want to
> look bad, and too many have already died.
>
>
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> "Never attribute to malice that which can be
> explained by incompetence and ignorance."
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> John Wager john.wager1@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Lisle, IL, USA
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